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Satis
Felix Rex
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 Mac Gaming?
I don't recall if this was posted here, but recently Steam announced it was going to support MacOS. http://www.itproportal.com/portal/news/ ... steam-mac/Now Razer (who makes my lovely, lovely keyboard and mouse) has also pledged that all future products will have Mac support. http://press.razerzone.com/content/view/419/101/Is it possible that soon, a "Mac Gamer" won't be a contradiction in terms or a phrase of scorn? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 569110939#
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Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:46 pm |
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Rinox
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Joined: Mon Mar 31, 2003 7:23 am Posts: 14892 Location: behind a good glass of Duvel
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lol @ vid. The most advanced game I've ever played on a mac was Shufflepuck at my uncle's house when I was 15 or so.  I've seen my brother play Age of Empires III and Football Manager 2009 on his macbook though, so I guess there are still some games worth a shit on the mac. As for mac gamers...Macs use intel chipset these days, and I'm told that already makes a huge difference in porting titles and/or developing for both platforms. So I suppose it makes perfect sense for Valve (and others) to jump on the mac gaming market. Valve's portfolio alone could be enough to spark a 'gaming revolution' for the Mac. Otoh I'm sceptic - isn't the point of people who own macs that they don't play games?* Unless you have the money to spare to buy a mac next to a PC, no gamer in his right mind would buy a mac. But maybe they're gambling on it that PC gamers secretly always wanted a mac but couldn't because of their gaming habit. I find that...unrealistic. *In my experience, macs are predominantly present in the airhead American trust fund students who spend their day in coffeeshops looking interesting. In Prague in particular this was the case.
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Peltz
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Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2003 1:14 pm Posts: 6420 Location: Estonia
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 Re: Mac Gaming?
Ive always looked at Macs as products for people who believe they are better than the dirty peasant next to them using a PC because they shelled out more dough. If Mac was the dominant system about a few hundred companies would be out of business and tens of thousands of people would be jobless. Why? because there would not be companies like MSI, Gigabyte etc. who sell components and compete with each other, but Mac, everything inside is Mac. Sure some of their components come from certain manufacturers but in the end they use one supplier where as I can choose from tens. Mac is a slaver and windows is a whore. Ill take the whore thank you very much.  I think i posted a Mac version of GTX280 or something in the tech forum some time ago. And Macs use the Core2D processors so they have the necessary grunt to propel games.
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 4:37 am |
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Satis
Felix Rex
Joined: Fri Mar 28, 2003 6:01 pm Posts: 16701 Location: On a slope
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The biggest problem with Mac gaming is that MacOS is just a flavor of linux (or freeBSD, I think). Porting a game to MacOS is probably pretty close to porting it to Linux... which is good for Linux. If people actually do linux ports to all the games I give a crap about, I might ditch windows entirely.
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:39 am |
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Peltz
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What would it take for Microsoft to gift directX and the rest of the code necessary to run games on other OSs? Would it be the end of Windows era or would it just make windows cheaper?
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:41 am |
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Satis
Felix Rex
Joined: Fri Mar 28, 2003 6:01 pm Posts: 16701 Location: On a slope
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I seriously doubt MS would open up DirectX, not unless Windows was seriously losing marketshare and they wanted to make sure their API didn't lose relevance. I don't think that'll happen any time soon.
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:43 am |
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Peltz
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Joined: Sat Apr 12, 2003 1:14 pm Posts: 6420 Location: Estonia
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viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3175Found the thread, it was EVGA GTX285 for macs.
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 8:53 am |
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Arathorn
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Joined: Tue Apr 01, 2003 10:23 am Posts: 3956 Location: Amsterdam
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Given the fact that OpenGL is almost dead, I doubt Microsoft will open up DirectX. The only thing I see changing is that even Microsoft is abandoning the PC as a game-platform, so perhaps they don't find Windows-only games necessary anymore. But that still won't be an incentive to help other platforms by opening DirectX (unless perhaps, if the Xbox platform starts loosing big to the Playstation).
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Rinox
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This is somewhat interesting http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=n ... &px=ODA1MA |  |  |  | Quote: Valve, the makers of the popular Half-Life and Counter-Strike franchises (along with numerous other titles) and the company behind the Steam software delivery system, have announced today that they are now bringing their games (including Steam) over to Mac OS X. Not only are they bringing these games over, but they intend to provide first-rate support for Apple's operating system.
As is mentioned in today's press release, "We are treating the Mac as a tier-1 platform so all of our future games will release simultaneously on Windows, Mac, and the Xbox 360. Updates for the Mac will be available simultaneously with the Windows updates. Furthermore, Mac and Windows players will be part of the same multiplayer universe, sharing servers, lobbies, and so forth. We fully support a heterogeneous mix of servers and clients." That was stated by John Cook, Director of Steam Development at Valve.
Among the games coming to Mac OS X are Left 4 Dead 2, Team Fortress 2, Counter-Strike, Portal, and the Half-Life series. These first titles will be available through Steam on Mac OS X beginning next month. Steam is running on Mac OS X thanks to Valve now using WebKit for its web rendering engine. More interestingly, however, is that Valve is now publicly offering its Source engine with an OpenGL renderer. OpenGL support was offered years ago with the original Half-Life game, but since then with the Source engine they have exclusively been using their advanced Microsoft DirectX renderer, which is far from being friendly with Mac OS X and Linux platforms.
What's also great about this announcement is that if you already purchased a game through Steam on Windows, you can play it under Mac OS X too at no additional cost. Valve Corp has not yet publicly commented on any plans for Linux support, but with the step over to Mac OS X with OpenGL is a huge move and going back to 2007 Valve has been looking for software engineers to port its titles to Linux.
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:07 pm |
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Felix Rex
Joined: Fri Mar 28, 2003 6:01 pm Posts: 16701 Location: On a slope
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Linux advocates have been yelling about the year of linux on the desktop for like a decade. So far, they've been wrong. But if Linux gaming becomes a reality.. well... that's a pretty big jump.
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 2:00 pm |
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pevil
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I'd kill for 'real' Mac gaming. Sure I know you can do it now, with a windows emulator, but that defeats the point of having a Mac (i.e. not having windows  ) The only games I know of that are on Mac are Sims and Football Manager. Oh, and WoW. Of course now I'm used to a right mouse button and all that jazz so getting used to actually using a Mac would be weird. But I always loved the one we had at school and my mate had one about 16 years ago with Prince of Persia on it (the proper one, side scrolling and impossible to play hehe). Then again I'd miss being able to pick and choose my parts and make my pc how I want it to the budget I have, rather than having to save up for that lovely £600 mac only to find out that 3 days before I reach my goal a newer, nicer one comes out at £800.
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Felix Rex
Joined: Fri Mar 28, 2003 6:01 pm Posts: 16701 Location: On a slope
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heh... I hate Apple, but still, I'd be fine with Mac gaming. I wish they'd quit being such walled garden bitches.
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ElevenBravo
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Joined: Wed Apr 16, 2003 2:18 pm Posts: 1976 Location: Sexy Town
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If developers would just design their games around Open GL instead of DirectX it would be much easier to port, as I understand it. Wont being doing any mac gaming until
a) all new games are written for both mac and windows b) Mac video performace matches windows/pc hardware.
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 7:56 pm |
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Satis
Felix Rex
Joined: Fri Mar 28, 2003 6:01 pm Posts: 16701 Location: On a slope
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I won't do Mac gaming until Apple gets off their high horse and opens up their platform. But yea, I hear you, it doesn't make sense to game on a platform where the same hardware yields worse performance. Hell, I'd almost like to see an O/S dedicated for gaming... boot up into Windows (or whatever) to run your apps, boot into SatisGameOS 2.0 to play games. You strip out all the shit you don't need and I bet the O/S could fly.
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Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:03 pm |
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Peltz
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http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/razer-mac ... 32957.htmlMac gaming is the new "it"?  The world should rejoice, they can now get the same experience for more money, wohoo hooray.
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