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I haven't had a chance to really mess with it yet, but the reviews are plentiful. Lots of kudos on a fast javascript engine, not so happy about some UI decisions and such. Also it apparently installs a google updater in startup that isn't removed with uninstall, and every installation creates a unique id and phones home. That last part is pretty irritating to me... they better dump that if they want me to use it. I hate tracking and I don't trust Google any more.

At any rate, I may give it a shot at work sometime. Just don't sign into any google accounts via it... there's talk of it mapping your unique id to your google account and then the tracking gets REALLY intrusive.

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At any rate, I may give it a shot at work sometime. Just don't sign into any google accounts via it... there's talk of it mapping your unique id to your google account and then the tracking gets REALLY intrusive.

Oh yes, I am very suspicious about misuse of data. I probably made mistake by downloading it when logged in. I killed the google updater upon install. And... removed it from startup section. Junk. But oh, come on, I'd love to see them reaching my phone number. Impossible for them... yet.

However, here's what I was talking about. :before and :after messed up when nested in multiple positioned divs. Some other stuff don't work either. I've also heard some people complain about copying links with utf-8 content (such as of Wikipedias on Languages using Cyrillic).

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Strange issues you're having. I went ahead and grabbed a copy of Chrome... it's not bad. It loads FAST for me... page loads are really quick. I refrained from logging into any Google accounts, of course. It also properly rendered all the web pages I tried out. I'm kinda liking it.

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Even on the page from above? Then they maybe fixed that one in the meantime. I mean... no guarantee they'd leave it once they realize their shiny new spy agent has disadvantage. A friend of mine also confirmed to see it, so it's not just me. :) I removed the whole crap from my computer, including registry stuff it put in. *sigh*.. the pics will remain for the records.

Oh, I renewed the firewall either. Just in case.

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So much for no crashes:

http://myitforum.com/cs2/blogs/rtrent/a ... -tabs.aspx

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haha, cool. Well, it is beta. :roll: And actually, if it has html rendering issues you should probably blame WebKit since that's the engine in use. :)

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And actually, if it has html rendering issues you should probably blame WebKit since that's the engine in use. :)

Funny. Equals to:

"No, mommy, don't blame me. I just left the honey cup on the opened window. The BEAR is who has taken it!"

If I used somebody else's core or module for my 3D engine and its functionalities were proven poor by end-users, I'd blame myself and only myself for the bad choice. Actually, I wouldn't take it before I test it well in the first place. As a programmer, I should know best what the thing I am taking should have - thus it should be of equal quality as something I've made on my own. It's not like when you pick a buggy phpBB for your forums. Google has either failed on testing it before taking it or maybe the rest of the project is equally poor. Pick your choice.

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And the intarwebz strike...parodies on the Chrome comic :twisted:


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Used Chrome for a couple of days but went back to ffx because the prior browser chugged my CPU, and kinda felt slow.


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Chrome is pretty fast, but I miss Firefox' extensions, plus despite claiming they want to integrate the browser more with the desktop why do they use some theme instead of the standard Windows window decorations? Now it just feels out of place with the desktop.

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Chrome is pretty fast, but I miss Firefox' extensions, plus despite claiming they want to integrate the browser more with the desktop why do they use some theme instead of the standard Windows window decorations? Now it just feels out of place with the desktop.

Eh? I do not trust web enough to have it as a part of my desktop. Thanks, I want to keep it in that rusty box that I will open by need.

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fyi, we were talking about memory usage and Firefox and all that. I snapped a piccie of Firefox after it ran for quite awhile. It's at 700MB memory usage and 1GB virtual memory. This is FF3. I hope they improve it to be less leaky in the future, though I agree it's better than FF2.


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Yeah, I would get bored while having that window opened for a whole day, so these statistics are something I'd not make myself. Do you know: when I post this, I will just kill the window and go doing something else. In few minutes, I will run my wiki bot on its regular clean sweep duty and then I will watch log again in FF. Then I will probably open CK again, read the answers, kill the window and go sleeping. :) I mean... it is not that usual to need to have a window turned on for a whole day.

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I'd agree for a personal machine, there's no point in having FF open all day. But I have to have it open all day for my job. One tab on a ticket queue, another open for one of the websites I admin (work website), another open for another web site I admin, a fourth open to a tutorial page for something I'm doing in C#, another open to my google home page... etc. In some cases I have 2-3 more tabs open looking at SQL functions, technology white papers, and whatever else I'm working on. That's on top of mysql that's running in the background, SQL server express, and as many as 3 windows of Visual Studio with various websites or applications I'm programming at the time. And then there the text editor I use, also tabbed, with my username/passwords/server names, css, javascript, etc, plus Outlook and other memory heavy stuff. I may even have two or more virtual PCs running. All of that together tends to slow my pc down significantly, even though I'm on a dual core system with 2 gigs of RAM. My 350GB hard drive at work only has 25GB free. :P Believe it or not, most of that is legitimate, work-related stuff.

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While I might agree you've learned to have all the stuff you might be working on / you might need open all the day on your job, I deny necessariness of that approach. And besides, in my example, my home machine does much more stuff than the job one (yeah, as one of the best, I've taken certain responsibilities in the Uni a year ago so I suppose I have kind of "job"). And why: It is theoretically impossible for me to use them all at the same time.

Manuals
And this goes for manuals especially. For MySQL, C++, PHP, Java, JS, CSS and other stuff I use in my everyday, I rarely need manuals. Occasional need to peek on this and that does not make me having mans opened the whole day. There is usually number of very core things that might be boring to learn on the other side. In that case I'd put them on paper. Even faster is turning your look on it than activating some window / tab.

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Ticket queue may be a good reason to have a tab turned on the whole working day, but I guess you are not usually responding to messages all the day nor the most of stuff you receive is urgent. Here I have another problem. I am present on many sites (different Wikimedia projects, different sites related to Uni, several personal sites - like this one and some occasional stuff). Since I just don't have way to keep them in a message queue, I developed a bot to bug me every time something that might be of my interest occur. No tabs, no FF, just interrupt events.

But wait... you probably don't use FF for the ticked queue. What we're talking about? :)

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Alright, I often need to have M$ VS and Eclipse with a text editor on top for one project (using both C++ and Java) - beside that MySQL, Interbase and Apache servers running in background all the time. Then again M$ VS for another project I just opened to add some stuff - why to close the previous one then. Then even BCB for the third one etc. Ok, lets say they are not that leaky, haven't noticed. They're ... just, laggy and somewhat big. I say 'somewhat' because what's really big are several soundfonts each in size between 100 and 400MB that load when I run the program I use for composing music (intentionally avoiding the name).

Yet I see no FF in this part of the story either. :)

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So, to conclude. Not sure for what of this stuff you use FF actually, but I have strong belief that a whole-day tab can be replaced with something else, unless in case of a manual about the thing you just refuse to learn. :) I say this with due respect to your age.

Besides, if you have to peek in a tab all the day to see if there is something new, maybe you would find my bot-approach even better. It bugs YOU when you might need to be bugged. You don't have to bug A TAB all the time to see IF you need to be bugged.

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