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nice article 11b. Thanks for posting.

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Heres another good one

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Climate of Fear
Global-warming alarmists intimidate dissenting scientists into silence.

BY RICHARD LINDZEN
Wednesday, April 12, 2006 12:01 a.m. EDT

There have been repeated claims that this past year's hurricane activity was another sign of human-induced climate change. Everything from the heat wave in Paris to heavy snows in Buffalo has been blamed on people burning gasoline to fuel their cars, and coal and natural gas to heat, cool and electrify their homes. Yet how can a barely discernible, one-degree increase in the recorded global mean temperature since the late 19th century possibly gain public acceptance as the source of recent weather catastrophes? And how can it translate into unlikely claims about future catastrophes?

The answer has much to do with misunderstanding the science of climate, plus a willingness to debase climate science into a triangle of alarmism. Ambiguous scientific statements about climate are hyped by those with a vested interest in alarm, thus raising the political stakes for policy makers who provide funds for more science research to feed more alarm to increase the political stakes. After all, who puts money into science--whether for AIDS, or space, or climate--where there is nothing really alarming? Indeed, the success of climate alarmism can be counted in the increased federal spending on climate research from a few hundred million dollars pre-1990 to $1.7 billion today. It can also be seen in heightened spending on solar, wind, hydrogen, ethanol and clean coal technologies, as well as on other energy-investment decisions.

But there is a more sinister side to this feeding frenzy. Scientists who dissent from the alarmism have seen their grant funds disappear, their work derided, and themselves libeled as industry stooges, scientific hacks or worse. Consequently, lies about climate change gain credence even when they fly in the face of the science that supposedly is their basis.

To understand the misconceptions perpetuated about climate science and the climate of intimidation, one needs to grasp some of the complex underlying scientific issues. First, let's start where there is agreement. The public, press and policy makers have been repeatedly told that three claims have widespread scientific support: Global temperature has risen about a degree since the late 19th century; levels of CO2 in the atmosphere have increased by about 30% over the same period; and CO2 should contribute to future warming. These claims are true. However, what the public fails to grasp is that the claims neither constitute support for alarm nor establish man's responsibility for the small amount of warming that has occurred. In fact, those who make the most outlandish claims of alarm are actually demonstrating skepticism of the very science they say supports them. It isn't just that the alarmists are trumpeting model results that we know must be wrong. It is that they are trumpeting catastrophes that couldn't happen even if the models were right as justifying costly policies to try to prevent global warming.

If the models are correct, global warming reduces the temperature differences between the poles and the equator. When you have less difference in temperature, you have less excitation of extratropical storms, not more. And, in fact, model runs support this conclusion. Alarmists have drawn some support for increased claims of tropical storminess from a casual claim by Sir John Houghton of the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) that a warmer world would have more evaporation, with latent heat providing more energy for disturbances. The problem with this is that the ability of evaporation to drive tropical storms relies not only on temperature but humidity as well, and calls for drier, less humid air. Claims for starkly higher temperatures are based upon there being more humidity, not less--hardly a case for more storminess with global warming.

So how is it that we don't have more scientists speaking up about this junk science? It's my belief that many scientists have been cowed not merely by money but by fear. An example: Earlier this year, Texas Rep. Joe Barton issued letters to paleoclimatologist Michael Mann and some of his co-authors seeking the details behind a taxpayer-funded analysis that claimed the 1990s were likely the warmest decade and 1998 the warmest year in the last millennium. Mr. Barton's concern was based on the fact that the IPCC had singled out Mr. Mann's work as a means to encourage policy makers to take action. And they did so before his work could be replicated and tested--a task made difficult because Mr. Mann, a key IPCC author, had refused to release the details for analysis. The scientific community's defense of Mr. Mann was, nonetheless, immediate and harsh. The president of the National Academy of Sciences--as well as the American Meteorological Society and the American Geophysical Union--formally protested, saying that Rep. Barton's singling out of a scientist's work smacked of intimidation.

All of which starkly contrasts to the silence of the scientific community when anti-alarmists were in the crosshairs of then-Sen. Al Gore. In 1992, he ran two congressional hearings during which he tried to bully dissenting scientists, including myself, into changing our views and supporting his climate alarmism. Nor did the scientific community complain when Mr. Gore, as vice president, tried to enlist Ted Koppel in a witch hunt to discredit anti-alarmist scientists--a request that Mr. Koppel deemed publicly inappropriate. And they were mum when subsequent articles and books by Ross Gelbspan libelously labeled scientists who differed with Mr. Gore as stooges of the fossil-fuel industry.

Sadly, this is only the tip of a non-melting iceberg. In Europe, Henk Tennekes was dismissed as research director of the Royal Dutch Meteorological Society after questioning the scientific underpinnings of global warming. Aksel Winn-Nielsen, former director of the U.N.'s World Meteorological Organization, was tarred by Bert Bolin, first head of the IPCC, as a tool of the coal industry for questioning climate alarmism. Respected Italian professors Alfonso Sutera and Antonio Speranza disappeared from the debate in 1991, apparently losing climate-research funding for raising questions.

And then there are the peculiar standards in place in scientific journals for articles submitted by those who raise questions about accepted climate wisdom. At Science and Nature, such papers are commonly refused without review as being without interest. However, even when such papers are published, standards shift. When I, with some colleagues at NASA, attempted to determine how clouds behave under varying temperatures, we discovered what we called an "Iris Effect," wherein upper-level cirrus clouds contracted with increased temperature, providing a very strong negative climate feedback sufficient to greatly reduce the response to increasing CO2. Normally, criticism of papers appears in the form of letters to the journal to which the original authors can respond immediately. However, in this case (and others) a flurry of hastily prepared papers appeared, claiming errors in our study, with our responses delayed months and longer. The delay permitted our paper to be commonly referred to as "discredited." Indeed, there is a strange reluctance to actually find out how climate really behaves. In 2003, when the draft of the U.S. National Climate Plan urged a high priority for improving our knowledge of climate sensitivity, the National Research Council instead urged support to look at the impacts of the warming--not whether it would actually happen.

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OMG SUV'S ARE CAUSING GLOBAL WARMING ON JUPITER!

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/0 ... ed_jr.html

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The latest images could provide evidence that Jupiter is in the midst of a global change that can modify temperatures by as much as 10 degrees Fahrenheit on different parts of the globe


but wait...theres no people on Jupiter? So how can a planet's temperature change 10 degrees without humans?

Only 2 explanations.

#1 Aliens are driving suv's on Jupiter
#2 planets can increase and decrease in temperature all by themselves.

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Comparing Jupiter's atmosphere with Earth's is quite a far stretch. Can you even speak of an atmosphere there? It's one big bulb of gas anyway.

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Comparing Jupiter's atmosphere with Earth's is quite a far stretch. Can you even speak of an atmosphere there? It's one big bulb of gas anyway.


But yet they specualte the tempature is changing or has changed by 10 degrees. Its a planet, with core, gravity, and a atmosphere that has changes in temptatures just like earth and other planets with active cores and no humans live there and no SUV's

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I'm not going in on the whole SUV thing, just saying that indeed it makes no sense to compare these kind of things on different planets.

It's like: oh it's hotter in Florida than it is over here, well yeah they have more SUV's there ..

You can't just look at 1 aspect and draw conclusions that suit you, especially when it's such a complicated thing as weather, climate, ... .

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I'm not going in on the whole SUV thing, just saying that indeed it makes no sense to compare these kind of things on different planets.

It's like: oh it's hotter in Florida than it is over here, well yeah they have more SUV's there ..

You can't just look at 1 aspect and draw conclusions that suit you, especially when it's such a complicated thing as weather, climate, ... .


your not look at the bigger picture. Planet earth as a whole getting warmer has been explained to be the result of humans and co2's and pollution. Im using SUV's metaphoricly to represent "man made pollution". If in fact another planet can raise in planetery tempature without "man made intervention" than so can the same thing be said about all planets in a solar system including earth.

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Well you're missing one important word namely:

planet earth as a whole getting abnormally warmer

Planets have temperature cycles, nothing abnormal with that, it's just when people suspect temperature is raising faster than it should that they look for an explanation.

The main problem of course is to prove that 1 thing is causing it (or is the major factor in the change), since it's such a complex thing.

So:
Planets getting warmer: normal.
Earth getting warmer: normal
Earth getting warmer like it is now: probably not normal

Reason: man made pollution seems a good contestant to be nr.1 cause, just hard to prove and maybe we're missing things. But imHo there's no harm in restricting pollution, if it doesn't help against global warming it might at least have other positive effects (like reduced cancers, ...)

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How about visual pollution? Everytime I see one of those ugly SUV's my eyes hurt.

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Well you're missing one important word namely:

planet earth as a whole getting abnormally warmer

Planets have temperature cycles, nothing abnormal with that, it's just when people suspect temperature is raising faster than it should that they look for an explanation.

The main problem of course is to prove that 1 thing is causing it (or is the major factor in the change), since it's such a complex thing.

So:
Planets getting warmer: normal.
Earth getting warmer: normal
Earth getting warmer like it is now: probably not normal

Reason: man made pollution seems a good contestant to be nr.1 cause, just hard to prove and maybe we're missing things. But imHo there's no harm in restricting pollution, if it doesn't help against global warming it might at least have other positive effects (like reduced cancers, ...)



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The latest images could provide evidence that Jupiter is in the midst of a global change that can modify temperatures by as much as 10 degrees Fahrenheit on different parts of the globe


10 degrees is a big change.



Earth History tempertaure change below
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The idea that man-made pollution is responsible for global warming is not supported by historical fact. The period known as the Holocene Maximum is a good example-- so-named because it was the hottest period in human history. The interesting thing is this period occurred approximately 7500 to 4000 years B.P. (before present)-- long before human's invented industrial pollution.


So whats your proof that the earth getting warmer is not normal?

My proof that it is all normal.

#1 Juptier will possible see a 10 degree change on its own
#2 The warmest period on earth was before the industrial age
#3 We just came out of a "mini" ice age. If the earth goes though natrual cycles of warming and cooling the its VERY likely we are in a warming period. If we just came out of a "mini" ice age then of course its going to get hotter.

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Considering we have longer records dating a lot further your graphs only show until 18k BC- not that long ago.

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