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Ive debated on other forums. Its down to the CPU, not graphics card. Makes sense.

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Yeha, makes sense indeed...now I turned some of the detail (and the AA) I can have them massive ultra-1337 battle tough. :)


I'm having a blast with the game, tbh. It's a lot harder to keep your head up than in RTW, for sure...especially economically: you'll VERY quicly start making losses, often to the point that you have to do a 'bankrupcy'. :(

Or in other words: abandong your cities and becoming a ravaging horde. That's what I had to do with my game with the Goths once....I'd hit rock bottom with about -15k debt and losing, so I hit the road and started sacking cities all over Eastern Europe. :D It was glorious...the feeling you get from being the bane of all those cities is awesome. I know how it feels to see a horde (3-4-5 full stacks :/ ) approaching your settlements...it feels like "SHIIIT". ;)

Anyway, for the longer explanation on my current game: Started off nicely, advanced a bit, until the freaking Huns arrived with a horde and burned and pillaged my capital. I moved a city or two further but they kept haunting me, until I decided to put my foot down: it was either them or me. This resulted in epic battles, 20 turns of nothing but Hun vs. Goths battles. :roll: I lost my last city in the process, became a horde myself and then fought a war of attrition with the Huns...until we both had nothing left but 1 big army and we settled for a ceasefire. It really felt like we both had equal respect for one another: fought each other to the brink of both our destructions. A little while later we even went into an alliance, and they had been my Eastern neighbours for quite some time without any troubles.

I had built up a nice 4-province little kingdom by then (you can laugh, but that's a lot for a Barbarian faction in BI :P )...but then the shit hit the fan. My former capital, in Hun hands for ages by then, revolted against their occupants and swore loyalty to me. :roll: So, the alliance between me and the Huns was off, and I had a city making serious losses dragging down my other 4 cities' precious incomes. :( (no infrastructure, besieged, no tradng partners near them)

I tried soothing my Hunnic neighbours by offering them the city (as a gift); but they wouldn't have it and so I was left with a city to liberate. The good news was: even though there were only a handful of troops in my capital, it DID have stone walls. And as you can imagine, superior horsemen like the Huns aren't really awesome at capturing stone walls and fighting in streets. :) I succesfully defeated a few armies, but after a while I decided to pull the troops in the city out of there and bring them to my 4 main ones as an extra defense measure. The city rebelled or went into the Huns' hands, dunno and don't care. ;)

After this little event I suddenly got attacks coming in from the North, South and East and was barely keeping alive. The economy went slowly down the drain ad I pulled back to my two cities that were making the least losses. Lost one of those two, and then, with a 15k deficit, decided to become a horde and sack cities to get a positive bank level. ;)

That went beautifully, I rampaged over the mainland until I had amassed a capital of 30k and started looking for a place to settle down...a place that had (at least) stone walls and sea trade routes. I'd gotten tired of wooden pallisades by then, and wanted serious trade incomes. After a while I stumbled upon a relateively unguarded Constantinople in the hands of the Eastern Roman Empire, which was perfect. epic walls, trade routes...after a siege I took the city, and it became the Goth people's newest Capital. :) I got in a mess with the Eastern Romans because of that, and in the hope they'd lay off and sign a ceasefire I captured a second cuty nearby, but to no avail. Currently I'm trying to fend off Romans and Roxolani, but I feel safe behind the walls. :) I LOVE epic walls. And I love watching my enemy run when I torched their siege equipment once again....


Some pics attached. These can give you an idea about what this 'Hun hordes' are that I talk about. :P


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A heroic win, and another win with a 'before' and 'after'. :) I slaughtered that 10-star general good. 0 men left, hehehehe.


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I might add: Warlords are REALLY hard bastards this time around. That's how I won that last battle I attached there with about 10 times as few men. :roll:

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Looks really cool.

I think if i buy it ill play it a little differently to you:

Ill probably play as a barbarian faction but that doesnt engage in barbarian-like warfare. Ie, 'we are barbarans, but we have honor'. Maybe centre my strategies on peace and economy. And also a useful alliance with Rome if possible!

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heh, that's really what I tried to do, but it's hard when a horde of 7 armies come a-knockin' and sack your little empire. :( And for some reason Barbarian economies have a VERY hard this surviving. You're better off finding a city with a direct seaport somewhere and good infrastructure...walls are also important with these hordes. You can't stop them with a wooden pallisade or something. :(


So my advice would be: get a big roman coastal city and take that as your base of operations...it took me a lot of time, money and casualties to realize this. Hehe.

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Thanks.

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ok, so, I got Barbarian Invasion for Christmas and am now playing a Hun campaign.

I did some ravaging of the countryside, then took Constantinople...then lost it to a revolt like 2 turns later. :/ I'm going to retake it and just sack the damned thing...maybe retake it again after that with a limited population. :p I'm also going after Athens and that city just to the west of Constantinople...I forget its name.

Bleh...anyway...totally CRUSHED several armies, too. Heavy cavalry pwnage. I took out a massive Vandal army that attacked me....1600 of them versus 1100 or me....used my horse archers to harass their bitch asses, then charged my heavy cavalry into their archers and light cavalry...caused a mass route and annihilated their army. It was very fun. :)

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Awesome that you got it...keep us updated, RTW for the win! Make sure you give the sassanid and the allemanni a spin sometime. Or the Western Roman Empire. That makes for challenging stuff, that last one...

Sassanids are just cool cos they still have war elephants...only faction in the game to still do. But since there's only one province with elephants as "resources", they can only do so anymore in one city. :( You can find mercenary war elepahtns there if you're lucky, too.


Got some pics attached...including one of my 1337 Goth general who led a band of Alan Noble horse archers to supreme pwnage. He had all sorts of cavalry and missile traits.


Then another one of a game with the sassanid empire (light blue color on the ma)...the Eastern Roman Empire was giving me crap, so when a few generals rebelled I decided to give the Eastern Roman Rebels some (desert) land behind my own provinces. Just to piss the Romans off. :twisted: Of course, after a while the rebels had the nerve to attack their master, and I had to obliterate them . But it was good while it lasted!


last but not least: a Western Roman general that is stationed deep in barbarian territory at the start of the game. Look at his trait, and wonder why the empire collapsed if you put someone like him on the frontline. :roll: Gotta love the description tho.


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I felt like posting more material :P



First is a band of elephants ripping sideways through an Eastern Roman army. :)



Second is just a very cool win...especially considering I was defending a city and romans have great units for that (heavy infantry).



Third pic is a testament to how incredibly hard Clibinarii Immortals are....they're basically the sassanid generals' bodyguards...they are heavily armored cavalry that has bows for ranged attacks and maces for melee. They pwn against every enemy, with the bows they even pwn spearmen...look at the ranks of experience gained and casulaties inflicted...need I say more? :D


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Last one for today: The Frank's Francisca Heirbahn in action...they wield big axes which they can throw or use in melee. Thrown is way cool, and does amssive damage as you can imagine.


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lol...holy shit on the kills. :P That's some good stuff. Nice pics and shit.

so...I continued my campaign. I sacked athens, sacked constantinople (again), sacked that town to the west of constantinople, and sacked some city west of that. I'm slowly making my way to Italy...I plan on taking out Rome eventually. Not my victory conditions, but once I have an empire I'll beat the game. :p

Anyway, I'm about to retake that town to the far west and another town north of it (sorry, I don't remember any names).....I'll actually occupy, retrain my forces (took some losses) and then abandon them so I can go back to being a horde. Hordes rule. I also have around 90k saved up, and hordes don't have costs...it's really nice.

As for battles, I had a really badass one on that far west city. I engaged a rebel army of like noone just for the hell of it, but was close enough to the city that it decided to jump in. I outnumbered them, but alot of my men were the stupid spearmen, which I've found to be virtually useless for huns. It's all about cavalry and mounted archers...but anyway, I ran my archers out in front and all my heavy cavalry out to one side...I used my mounted archers to harass the center line of the enemy...once they were distracted, I just charged my heavy cavalry into the flanks.

Most of their units were light cavalry and peasant infantry...they had some spears (disorganized rabbles) and a single unit of what look like pikeman....the pike unit was tiny and I just swamped it in heavy cavalry numbers...the rest of their spears and especially light infantry and light cavalry crumbled under my charges. I completely annihilated their army and sacked the city...all because I was just screwing with some stupid rebel army and accidently aggroed the city. :p It was a fun battle.

Athens and Constantinople just knuckled under...I'm actually sacking alot of cities without a fight...just sitting out the siege period. Thankfully. I'd hate to actually try to take the walls of a city with the crappy siege units I have.

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If i had a cable connection i'd gladly crush all you Barbarian scums.

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It'll be hard to get online for me, for practical reasons. :(

And cool stuff Satis...hordes do rule if you are a hordish-tribe like the Huns, they are much less effective with infantry-focused tribes because of their low morale...which isn't that important for horse archers. But I agree, horde horse archers ftw!!! The only problem is taking cities, like you said...it's easy to pick them off when they sally, but to actually storm the walls is hell.

You have to imagine the opposite of your current situation btw...with other factions, you'll have bands of 5 full army stacks of Slavs, Vandals, Huns and other hordes come a-knockin' down your door...:D I always build a stone wall from the moment I can...that usually does the trick. The a few archers and heavy infantry can keep the walls, barring accidents. And yes, barbarians can build stone walls now too! not as effective as the romans' stone walls and definitely not the epic walls, but they do the job.


Some really neat mercenaries out there btw...veteranii (former roman legionnaires gone mercenary) are very dependable frontliners, and are a blessing for cavalry-focused tribes like yourself. Get a few of them to have a frontline that stands up longer than 3 seconds. ;)

P.S. if you're on huge units setting, get ready for some CPU punishment with the hordes. :) Oh, and make sure you fight at night, it's awesome!


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I need to install a program that can read targas.

Anyway...I finally took some towns, and it sucks...I took one that makes like -3000 per turn...so I'm in the hole now. I cranked up the taxes and had all my troops leave, but the fuckers won't rebel. I just took another city (one I'd sterilized awhile ago), so I'm hoping I can get some good income out of it.

Meanwhile, I took a city at the top of Italy, and then the vandals came. I have a total of 4 units sitting on it...2 light cavalry, a warlord, and 1 unit of horse archers. Amazingly, I've managed to withstand like 3 different sieges...granted, 2 they didn't have anything to take the walls with, but on one they had one of those damned towers....with nothing but cavalry, there wasn't much I could do about it, either. So they took a gate, but every time they brought troops through it I would rush em with my cavalry (while getting pelted by the gate).

Ended up routing their whole army except the general, who I ended up taking in a massed cavalry charge in the city square. It was a long ass battle, but the vandals took some severe casualties. :)

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