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Author:  ElevenBravo [ Tue Jan 12, 2010 11:44 am ]
Post subject:  California to legalize pot
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/politics ... 22877.html

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The first step to legalize marijuana in California could happen Tuesday.

Lawmakers will vote on Assembly Bill 390 -- legislation to tax and regulate marijuana. The assembly's Public Safety Committee is expected to vote after a hearing that begins at 9 a.m. hearing in Sacramento.

The bill, authored by San Francisco Assemblyman Tom Ammiano, would essentially treat pot the same way alcohol is treated under the law and would allow adults over 21 to possess, smoke and grow marijuana.

The law would also call for a fee of $50 per ounce sold and would help fund drug eradication and awareness programs. It could help pull California out of debt, supporters say, raising up to $990 million from the fees.


I think is the the best idea. Legalize pot does a couple of things.

#1 Police no longer have to spend time and money enforcing this law.
#2 Great extra tax revenue
#3 Safer that alcohol
#4 Drug cartels now can create a legitimate business, in particular Mexico can then have a solid export goods
#5 because of #4 illegal Mexican immigration slows down.
Author:  Satis [ Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:59 pm ]
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I agree that legalization of Marijuana is an excellent thing. I also think they should proactively pardon non-violent marijuana offenders. The savings in law enforcement and the penal ( :roll: ) system alone would be significant. Add to that the tax revenue, good times for all.
Author:  Peltz [ Tue Jan 12, 2010 3:45 pm ]
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Ah the fresh smell of lawsuits. :D
Author:  Rinox [ Wed Jan 13, 2010 3:08 am ]
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Well that's good news. In a way it almost feels as if it's the most normal thing in the world (for all the reasons you gave).

Maybe legalized prostitution is next? Another case of taking a relatively harmless problem that will continue to exist regardless of it being legal or not, which will lower police expenses, raise state income and give more protection to all participants (hookers, clients) by setting safety and hygiene standards.

Wasn't there a whole thing going on about gay marriage bans being overturned in Cali and whatnot too, which could potentially become a landmark case for the entire US? The times, they are a-changin'. :)
Author:  Satis [ Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:13 am ]
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Cali tends to be a trend setter... or just a fringe element, depending on the issue and your opinion. Gay marriage isn't so weird... 5 states allow it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_m ... ted_States

As for prostitution, that's legal in some places as well, namely some parts of Nevada. I think it's illegal in Las Vegas, but legal just outside.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostituti ... ted_States

Thus the bunny ranch, where you can pay money to have sex with Playboy models... or wannabe playboy models, I'm not entirely sure.

http://www.bunnyranch.com/main.php
Author:  Rinox [ Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:22 am ]
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Oh I know the US states tend to vary wildly on these issues. Still, if they win this case it could set a precedent to make it impossible to ban gay marriage country-wide, which would be quite the shocker for a few states.

I never got why a country that allows people to go on TV in full Klan robes while spouting racist BS in the name of free speech won't allow two men or two women to get married. I mean, seriously.

Not gonna open the bunny ranch link at work. :P But I heard of it, think there was a reality show about it too. I actually live on a 5 mins walk of Antwerp's red light district...it's a funny area.
Author:  Satis [ Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:32 am ]
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heh, yea, that link is NSFW. Just some boobs, but whatever. Red light districts are fun places, usually. I've been to a few in Europe (Frankfurt and Amsterdam come to mind), and I think Bourbon St. in New Orleans qualifies. :roll:
Author:  Rinox [ Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:38 am ]
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Hehe, lot of streetwalkers eh?

And yeah, they're fun. The male to female ratio (that is, on the street) is pretty lame however. :lol: And I'm not kidding if I say that EVERY SINGLE TIME I walk home through or by it, there's guys coming up to me asking where they can find the red light district/women. One of those faces I guess. :roll:

It's actually kind of susprising how pretty some of those chicks are, btw. If you'd base your view of prostitutes on shows like "Cops" you'd think they're all washed-up junkies, while in reality they're often pretty gorgeous. And Ukranian probably, but hey.
Author:  Satis [ Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:27 am ]
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well, there's a pretty big difference between American and European hookers. The ones in the US tend to be strung out and beat up pretty regularly which tends to have a negative impact on their looks. The smarter ones go into porn. :roll:

You kinda look like a low-ranking, eastern european thug. :roll: People probably think you're a bouncer at some mafia-esque brothel.
Author:  ElevenBravo [ Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:02 pm ]
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Rinox wrote:
I never got why a country that allows people to go on TV in full Klan robes while spouting racist BS in the name of free speech won't allow two men or two women to get married. I mean, seriously.


Because Freedom of speech is a right that was granted in the Constitution in the 1700's.
Author:  Rinox [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:04 am ]
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Yeah, but this ain't the 1700's anymore. The world the text applied to no longer exists, cfr. the third amendment. And that's ok -every law system has its ghosts from the past- but not if you view the constitution as unchanging and eternal.
Author:  Peltz [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:57 am ]
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Recent changes to the US constitution.
Author:  Rinox [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:10 am ]
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http://www.tooshocking.com/videos/2048/ ... _Bear_Arms
Author:  ElevenBravo [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 2:09 pm ]
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Rinox wrote:
but not if you view the constitution as unchanging and eternal.


Which is how Americans view it including me. Once you start adding stuff to it then that opens the door to take things away. The Bill of Rights in the Constitution is mostly about the peoples right vs their government. So if you amend the Constitution to include something you can easily make the argument to take something out, IE: Right to bear arms which is why you wont see it happen.
Author:  Satis [ Thu Jan 14, 2010 4:31 pm ]
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I'm actually with 11b on this. The point of the constitution was to set a framework for government, mainly to keep the government from becoming abusive. If you give the government to remove things from it, it's pretty pointless.

Not that our government isn't abusive, I think it is, but it could be far, far worse.
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