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Author: | Rinox [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:56 am ] | |||||||||
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More random than for any real reason: do women get assigned to fighting units in the US Army, Satis? Are they limited to support functions? Or do they have a choice and and is there just rarely a woman that does? I have no idea how it is in the Belgian army. Anyone who knows for sure about another army is welcome to talk about that too. ![]() Found this on the Israelian army:
I had a slight lol @ the line I put in bold. You gain entrance to the exams for men and women alike, and then you fail the entrance exams. ![]() |
Author: | Satis [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 8:50 am ] |
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Women aren't allowed in combat roles in the US military. They have their reasons, some of which make sense, some of which don't. Women are allowed in support roles and pretty much any non-combat role. Of course, with stuff like Iraq and Afghanistan, women are in a combat zone pretty regularly nowadays. I don't think it'll be long before women can fight in a combat unit along with men. From my experience in the military, I 'd rather fight alongside some women then some men. |
Author: | Peltz [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:10 am ] |
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Its the natural order of things so i wouldnt put too much time in thinking over this. |
Author: | Satis [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 9:17 am ] |
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hehe... oh well, to each their own. I'm totally cool with women in combat. The military better be prepared for a lot of trench sex. Nothing like imminent death to get people feeling sexy. |
Author: | Arathorn [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 10:50 am ] |
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Both the Dutch and Belgian armies are open to women in all divisions. Since they're both professional armies (no conscription), every recruit knows what he / she might expect and if they complete the training, why not use them? |
Author: | derf [ Thu Jan 08, 2009 12:12 pm ] |
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9% of UK's combined forces are female. I think there are women fighter pilots and chopper pilots which probably means they should be allowed to ground and pound too. |
Author: | Rinox [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:30 am ] | |||||||||
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I found this on wikipedia Derf:
If I were a woman, I wouldn't want to be stuck on a freaking submarine with a crew of men either. ![]() Thanks for the input already everyone. I also found out that the US Army apparently still bars gays from entering. ![]() ![]() EDIT: apparently it happens - and not only in combat units: http://illinois.edu/blog/view?topicId=792 [quote]According to the Houston Chronicle, the U.S. army has kicked out as many as 58 Arabic translators recently because they were gay. 40 members of the House of Representatives want to know why, when the army is so short on troops that it’s issuing what it calls “moral waivers†|
Author: | RB [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 2:42 am ] | |||||||||
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Oh yeah, I guess I can always claim I was a gay, trans or whatever and get rid of the obligatory army service. ![]() Yes, since the regime of our pro-US and anti-Serbian government, every last soldier and officer and general that was capable of doing the job properly was sent in pension (including my father). Now they're just bunch of retards and morons. Bold on words, pussies on deeds. Well, that really sucks. I hope our president will hang with all his gang sooner or later. p.s. To be a straight man on a gay-crowded submarine wouldn't be that nice either. ![]() |
Author: | Satis [ Fri Jan 09, 2009 4:54 pm ] |
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Minority representation in the US military is pretty high, I think. I had a great number of black people in my units, many in command positions (NCOs mainly, up to brigade sergeant majors. Not to mention the sergeant major of the army was black, at least when I was in). Homosexuality is still frowned upon, but it's the whole 'don't ask, don't tell thing'. Basically, they can't ask you about your sexual beliefs and you can't tell. But if they find you in a homosexual position, you'll get kicked out of the military on an article 13 or whatever. Once again, I don't care. As long as the guy or gal is capable of doing their job, it doesn't matter to me. But whatever, that's what it is. |
Author: | Rinox [ Mon Jan 12, 2009 2:35 am ] |
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Isn't the minority representation linked more to the socio-economic factors than anything else, in the army? Seeing as the US military hands out scholarships and all sorts of benefits for veterans that are pretty outlandish in the ultracapitalist market that the US is. Of course, putting yourself (potentially) in danger for a few years isn't exactly an ideal situation, but y'know. It's still a shortcut for many lower-class people that they would have trouble taking any other way. It's different with gays, I think. Afaik (can't say I have any studies at hand) they are more often part of the higher social strata and tend to gravitate towards cities , where the army recruits mostly in the countryside. Obviously, I don't give a rat's ass about who is in the army with me or works the same job or what my friends do in their lovelives. BUT I do sometimes wonder about the implications of gay men and women in some specific situations - the army, sports teams, even fitness clubs. Silly things like dressing rooms. In se, having them change and shower with people of their sex is the equivalent of having me shower with women. There are nuances here, of course, and I'm not saying that they should relocate to the other sex' locker rooms or sleeping bunks; and/or that they should get their own facilities. But I can also understand that some of their straight counterparts wouldn't be too happy to share a shower with someone who they know is gay - for whatever reason. It doesn't even have to be homophobia...I know quite a few women who wouldn't want a male friend whom they know is definitely gay to see them naked in any such situation. They usually say that even though they know he isn't sexually interested in them and appreciate his presence, he still is a man. Which is all it takes, sometimes. So the opposite - a man not feeling comfortable about a man who is -generally- attracted to men being around him in such situations- isn't hard to grasp either. It's all pretty interesting really, and raises questions about the position of gay men and women in our society. They often fall between two chairs. And I can't say I have a ready-made solution for it. |
Author: | Satis [ Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:06 am ] |
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@socio-economic reasons for joining the military, yes, the reason there are so many minorities is because most people that join the military are poor. It allows someone to pull themselves out of their hood and circular crime environment and receive training, college, and other benefits to move themselves into a higher social plateau. Personally I think this is excellent. The military is a guaranteed way for a person (who isn't physically handicapped) to elevate themselves. Yay for social mobility. So all the people that cry about how bad their lives are, I feel no sympathy. That's the reason I joined... I needed a way to get out into the world on my own two feet. Anyone can do what I did, or even stay in the military and make a career of it. The pay isn't that great, but they pay for everything that matters... housing, food, clothes, medical, dental. re mixed sex showering... I have no problem showering with women. I think it's just a social phobia that will eventually be overcome. Guys don't throw down and rape women in a hallway... why would they do so in a shower? The same deterrent exists there. It just a matter of getting people used to the idea. On the other hand, that's not the real problem. What kind of showers you think people get in combat? None, really, except what people might be able to throw together out of water cans. I spent two weeks in the desert with 1 shower about half way through. Women can't survive that... in a real combat situation that time frame could be expanded to many weeks without a shower. A woman is likely to experience toxic shock and die if exposed to that. |
Author: | RB [ Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:13 am ] |
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That for women is... weird, but true is that men are more capable of being pigs than women (oinkey!), with causal exceptions. ![]() ![]() http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 5&t=h&z=16 I actually believed Satis didn't have choice about the army and that he has spent some time in a kind of war or something. Prove me wrong. |
Author: | Shiny [ Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:01 pm ] |
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Satis did not HAVE to join the Army. He did so because he didn't want to live with/off his parents. He decided that by joining the military he would be his own person and not take a damn thing from his parents. Might I add that his sister was my best friend and I think his parents are still helping her pay for things. His parents were willing and to this day tell us if we need help they will help - but the thing is neither of us need that, nor likely ever will need that. I respect him for that. He is by far more responsible than I am. I had my parents buy me a nice car, I live in an old house that was my fathers, and my dad paid for the first couple years of college for me. So... I respect what Satis did. That doesn't mean that I was not worried for him when he told me he had joined the army. And I still mourn the loos of that hair (although it has been regrown). As for War... He served in Korea, which I guess is kinda still like a war or whatever, but not like Bosnia or something like that. But I am sure he will tell you more on that. |
Author: | Satis [ Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:55 pm ] |
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heh, wasn't really planning on it. I didn't serve in a war, but I don't see why I should have to prove it. I was stationed in Korea which is technically at war, but never fired a shot (or missile) in anger. I was also on rapid deployment status to Saudi Arabia, but never went. Then when I was in the national guard my unit got deployed to Bosnia, but I didn't go. I happened to serve in a fairly quiet piece of history (1996-1999 active, 1999-2000 national guard). |
Author: | RB [ Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:11 pm ] |
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Al-right. I just asked about what remained in memory. ![]() The things in US are different as it seems. (of course, they don't have anti-US government... yet ![]() |
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