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ElevenBravo
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 Bin Laden Offers Truce
To me, this just furthur pushes the claim that the US is behind all the "terrorist" actions.
The war in Iraq starts to get unpopular, BANG, bring back Bin laden to "remind" Americans and the world he still around. Why the hell would Bin laden care what american polls says? He doesnt, because hes probably a fictional character or is already dead.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/ ... 78D922.htm
 |  |  |  | Quote: n an audio tape broadcast on Aljazeera, Osama bin Laden has warned that al-Qaida was preparing an attack very soon, but also offered Americans a "long-term truce".
"The new operations of al-Qaida has not happened not because we could not penetrate the security measures. It is being prepared and you'll see it in your homeland very soon," the voice attributed to bin Laden said, apparently addressing Americans.
But the voice on the tape, which appeared to be aimed at the American public, also offered a truce: "We do not mind establishing a long-term truce between us and you."
The tape, broadcast on Thursday but dated to December last year, comes after a year of silence from the al-Qaida leader.
"This message is about the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and how to end those wars," it began.
"It was not my intention to talk to you about this, because those wars are definitely going our way.
"But what triggered my desire to talk to you is the continuous deliberate misinformation given by your President [George] Bush, when it comes to polls made in your home country which reveal that the majority of your people are willing to withdraw US forces from Iraq.
Americans want peace
"We know that the majority of your people want this war to end and opinion polls show the Americans don't want to fight the Muslims on Muslim land, nor do they want Muslims to fight them on their (US) land.
"But Bush does not want this and claims that it's better to fight his enemies on their land rather than on American land.
"Bush tried to ignore the polls that demanded that he end the war in Iraq.
"We are getting increasingly stronger while your situation is getting from bad to worse," he told the US, referring to poor US troop morale and the huge economic losses inflicted by the war.
"The war in Iraq is raging and the operations in Afghanistan are increasing."
Truce offer
"In response to the substance of the polls in the US, which indicate that Americans do not want to fight Muslims on Muslim land, nor do they want Muslims to fight them on their land, we do not mind offering a long-term truce based on just conditions that we will stick to.
"We are a nation that Allah banned from lying and stabbing others in the back, hence both parties of the truce will enjoy stability and security to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan, which were destroyed by war.
There is no problem in this solution, but it will prevent hundreds of billions from going to influential people and warlords in America - those who supported Bush's electoral campaign - and from this, we can understand Bush and his gang's insistence on continuing the war."
Addressing Americans again, he said: "If your desire for peace, stability and reconciliation was true, here we have given you the answer to your call."
Bin Laden, who had not been heard of since a 27 December 2004 audiotape in which he anointed Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, Iraq's most wanted man, as al-Qaida's leader in Iraq, also said his network was winning the war against the US.
"I would like to tell you that everything is going to our advantage and the number of your dead is increasing, according to Pentagon figures."
Ayman al-Zawahiri, bin Laden's deputy, said in a September videotape that his leader was still alive and leading the jihad against the West.
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Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:00 pm |
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Myrddin L'argenton
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 Re: Bin Laden Offers Truce
This is strange- bin Laden actually offering a truce  This is from people that were previously not offering an treaties or agreements. Why?
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Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:10 pm |
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Arathorn
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That's not true... he's done the same with offering a truce to European countries before, with about the same terms.
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Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:20 pm |
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Myrddin L'argenton
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Oh right, but even so they were European countries- considering his idea of uniting all of the world under muslim rule it doesn't fit
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Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:33 pm |
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derf
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1
Suppose this is real, and al-Qaida are real terrorists:
"long-term" doesnt mean permanent. It sounds like they just want to buy time to organise another huge attack.
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Suppose this is real, and al-Qaida are not terrorists:
Why do they not say something like: "we didnt bomb the twin towers, your Bush is a liar, we are innocent". That would be the truth, no?
3
Suppose this is not real. And the fraudsters just want another excuse to keep fighting the war.
Why does is not say: "We will crush you puny americans. Your bases are belong to us."
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Suppose this is not real. And the fraudsters just want to stop the war.
Why not say: "Okay, we admit it. This is doing both of us no good. Do you want peace for now?"
Oh wait! It actually is #4! Maybe 11b is right then.
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Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:38 pm |
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Arathorn
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I'ld go for option 1.
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Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:05 pm |
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derf
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Fair enough.
Anyone else care to have a go on "Derf's Magical Lucky Dip of Truth or Lies"?
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Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:47 pm |
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Myrddin L'argenton
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Me! Me!
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Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:35 pm |
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Satis
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pi! I vote pi!
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 9:11 am |
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ElevenBravo
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I heard on the news this morning a story about the Bin Laden tape. They where interviewing a expert forensic voice identification guy. He said that the CIA determined the voice to be Bin Laden after only 4 hours. In the forensics's world 4 hours is a world record. He also said that they did not disclose how they determined it was Bin Laden, what technique they used, and what parts of Bin Ladens speech match with of recordings of confirmed Bin Laden tapes. Another words, we just have to take the CIA's word for it that its really Bin Laden. Now, I dont know about you but what happen the last time we took the CIA's word that something was true based on weak evidence? How about WMD's?
I am only questioning and speculating.
It seems the CIA sure was in a hurry to confirm the voice was Bin Laden. Wouldnt you think they might spend a little more time on something this serious to determine if its the world most notorious terrorist? Its almost as if they wanted it to be really be Bin Laden.
Now I know what your thinking "11b your being an idiot why would they want it to be really Bin Laden". Think about it for a moment. Alot of people think Bin Laden is dead. We havent heard from him in over a year. Americans are starting to want to pull out of Iraq but the administration keeps hammering that we need to stay in. Then a tape shows up that may or may not be Bin Laden.
Now, what would happened if the CIA said "this isnt Bin Laden". Well then everyone thats been yelling to end the war now has more leverage because it further concludes that Bin Laden is probably dead.
but!
What happens if the CIA says it is Bin Laden. Well then, the administration now has more ammo to use for its reasons to continue the war "on terror"(which is basicly a ghost hunt by thats for another topic). They can now say "Look, Bin Laden is still alive, there is a still a mission to do!"
Then the propaganda machine starts turning out more propaganda like this
"Bin Laden is still alive and says hes going to attack American so we must continue the war effort. He said that our security measure arnt stopping him so will need to make them tougher. We need a stronger patriot act to make sure Bin Laden's plans dont take hold",etc,etc
The CIA is doing exactly what it did before the war. They are withholding information. They withheld alot of their information for reason to invade Iraq especially the WMD's. Now with the Bin Laden tape they are doing the same song and dance. Withholding information and wanting the world populace to take their word for it.
Think about it.
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Myrddin L'argenton
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You know what- despite the paranoia I would agree with you 11b
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Fri Jan 20, 2006 11:35 am |
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Arathorn
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I thought so too, but I now think it's just a huge marketing stunt.
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Sat Jan 21, 2006 6:32 am |
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Myrddin L'argenton
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hehe- Bin Laden shares his view? Not really...
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ElevenBravo
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So it seems a Professor at Duke agrees with me.
 |  |  |  | Quote: Duke Professor Skeptical of bin Laden Tape (01/19/06 -- DURHAM) - A Duke professor says he is doubtful about Thursday's audiotape from Osama bin Laden. Bruce Lawrence has just published. Messages to the World: The Statements of Osama Bin Laden, a book translating bin Ladens writing. He is skeptical of Thursdays message. It was like a voice from the grave, Lawrence said. He thinks bin Laden is dead and has doubts about the tape. Lawrence recently analyzed more than 20 complete speeches and interviews of the al Qaida leader for his book. He says the new message is missing several key elements. Theres nothing in this from the Koran. Hes, by his own standards, a faithful Muslim, Lawrence said. He quotes scripture in defense of his actions. Theres no quotation from the Koran in the excerpts we got, no reference to specific events, no reference to past atrocities. While the CIA confirms the voice on the tape is bin Ladens, Lawrence questions when it was recorded. He says the timing of its release could be to divert attention from last weeks U.S. air strike in Pakistan. The strike targeted bin Ladens deputy, Ayman al-Zawahri, and killed four leading al Qaeda figures along with civilians. Lawrence believes faulty Pakistani intelligence led to the strike and the civilian deaths, and the tape was leaked by Pakistani authorities to divert attention from their mistake. It led to a failed military operation where America got blamed, but they people who are really to blame are the ones who provided the intelligence, Lawrence said. I think this is an effort to say were not going look at this terrible incident that happened. Another element that Lawrence takes issue with in bin Ladens latest message is its length - - only 10 minutes. Previously, the shortest was 18 minutes. http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?secti ... id=3828678 |  |  |  |  |
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pevil
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Only thing I'm sure on is that everyone is bullshitting. I'm sure you all know by now how cynical I am about humans. I'm quite sure that there are still terrorist attacks planned, I'm quite sure USA is making things look worse in order to justify their own means, and I'm also quite sure there's more in this for Blair than he's gonna let on.
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