Congratulations, state of Kansas. They've decided to allow the teaching of 'intelligent design' (ie, unscientific christian genesis) to be taught in Science class. Nice.

Kansas is now officially a retard state. I highly recommend anyone that lives in Kansas and has a modicum of intelligence to move out now.

http://breakingnews.iol.ie/news/story.a ... p=69z9zx88

This is great news!

ID is not religious. Cant something be of superior intelligence and not be God?

Beside its a theory, just like evolution. Neither has been proven.

Besides, whos to say they both arnt right? An intelligent being create the "soup" that is life and it evolved?

We should be open minded right? After all arent we in pursuit of the truth? Just because you dont believe a superior intelligence could have created life and the universe doesnt means its not possible.

That IS retarded, really

Btw 11b, you're right that ID isn't religious by definition, but it will come down to it anyway. Watched (a part) of a tv-show about it a while ago, there's just too much evidence for evolution theory to be ignored, it's ridiculous to start teaching ID. And ID will just be used by bible fanatics to tell their story about 'God created ... '.

It's really, really retarted.

Hey you guys are supposed to be open minded. How is this so retarded? Its not anymore retarded than putting faith in a scientific theory that has yet to be proven such as evolution! Evolution has never been proven and you guys put "faith" that that "theory" is correct. Guess what, you are part of a religion! Thats right. The "Evolution" religion because just like Christians and Jews and people who believe in ID, you put "faith" that evolution is the defacto truth. I put "faith" that God exist. You put "faith" that life was spontaneous.

Thats a religion.

Just because we cant study it doesnt mean it doesnt exisit. To have faith in our science as small brained human beings that we are is quite a BIG leap of faith.

Just because something cant be observed by the naked eye doesnt mean its not there.

Look at DNA! DNA exist yet we cant see it with the nake eye. And how many thousands of year did it take us to discovery DNA? #1 then to observe it? #2

Our science is only limited to what we can observe.

Now im not saying evolution didnt happen. It probably did. Its also possible that our DNA was not evolved on this planet. Hasnt anyone ever heard of the panspermia?
http://www.space.com/searchforlife/leon ... 115-1.html




Besides its more knowledge, more understanding, more debatable, thinking required by the student. How can that be bad?

Regardless what you think public education is paid for by the taxpayer. And every tax payer has a right to voice his or her opinion about what should or shouldnt be taught in that class. Hence, they voted on it.

You know who you guys are? Your the guys that laughed at the idea that the world was round. Your the guys that didnt want their kids learning anything about a round world because science said it was flat. Back then even science was able to prove that the solar system revolved around the earth. So you cant use science as truth because science has been 100% wrong in the past.

hahahaha hilarious.

yeah ok, nothings proven that god/religion/creators can't exist, but nothing has proven it could either. At least evolution has some scientific backing. Until that is proven definately not, and the 'creator theory' has had some find to suggest it might be real (rather than "i read it in some book"), then im gonna laugh at it. If someone can find some evidence, even if its found to be false in 3 years, sure, teach it in science. Until then, it belongs in Religious Education. That subject IS there for a reason not to mention now kansas will be open to "You're teaching christian stuff in science, why not muslim/buddhist/jehovus witness stuff?".

Ah another story to sit back, relax, and laugh at america about. God bless America. You really are the country of entertainment

Oh, one thing I'll always remember my science teacher teaching me. And its what I always follow regarding religion and/or science.

"Science never proves anything right. But it can prove what is wrong." Scientific theories are changing every year. But they usually have some evidence to set it off first.

religious education is to teach about ones religion.

The term "intelligent being" has no religious recourse what so ever.

This is the definition of intelligent



I dont see the word "GOD" in there do you?

Now the ID states that some thing/someone of great intelligence created life.

Doesnt mean its God. Doesnt refer to God. It doesnt even refer to creationism. It doesnt refer to the bible, it doesnt refer to the garden of eden.

Intelligent design is not creationism.


Again you asking for proof? There is no conclusive evidence for evolution yet you beleive it. Evolution has not been proven yet you believe without dout that its the case. Yet, you ridicule Kentuky and people who believe in ID because there isnt proof.

HELLO! thats called hipocracy.

And I dont understand how it can be so hard to believe that evolution and ID are both true?

btw...hypocrisy. :p

The problem with intelligent design is it's not scientfically testable. Something that doesn't subscribe to scientific reasoning shouldn't be taught in science class. That's the problem I have with it. In Kansas, it's being taught as an alternative to evolution inside a science class. However, scientifically speaking, intelligent design isn't even a scientific theory. It's a philosophy, maybe, or a theological idea, but it's not science. Science has to be testable...you have to be able to use a scientific theory to make predictions, and then test them.

Anyway, I respect the right of people to teach shit in school, even shit I don't believe in. However, evolution is a scientifically proven theory...intelligent design is not. Teach intelligent design in social studies or philosophy or something, but not in a science class.

*edit*
on intelligent design being god....it doesn't necessarily requrie god. It could also mean that we were built and designed by some alien race. However, 90%+ of the time, it's accepted as being an explanation of God. The intelligent designer (or god) is our creator, is all powerful can design a planet, all the creatures on it, create life, and then wipe out all traces of himself. It gets to the point where the distinction between an intelligent designer and a god are very small.

evolution is not a "proven" theory, its just a theory. There are still large gaps in it specificly the missing link.


Since we are on the topic of retards how about California



Yea because you dont have rights to your children. They , even though you are the guardian, are old enough to make their own desicisons. Especially when it comes to aborition. What parent wouldnt want to know they 14 year old daughter had an abortion.

Now thats retarded. Who the hell are these parents voting?

"Again you asking for proof? There is no conclusive evidence for evolution yet you beleive it. Evolution has not been proven yet you believe without dout that its the case"

While evolution isn't fully proven (and I doubt it ever will be), there are at least some scientific findings that point towards it being plausible. I have no doubt that in 50 years someone will find its a load of bullshit.

I dont mind if they want to teach about religion, or intelligence or whatever. But I'm with satis. There's no scientific measure, so don't teach it in Science. Make up a new subject if you gotta.

Oh and yeah I agree that Californian thing is retarded. WAs watching a program earlier on a similar topic, which was on about how many kids that need adopting, never get adopted etc etc. And I figured it's damn retarded that adopting parents have so many tests to go through (a good thing) and yet just anyone is allowed to give birth to a kid...

But then I find most things humans come up with/do retarded.

evolution is something that has come from scientific thought. It might not be proven but there is very strong evidence for it being right. As for the world being flat argument 11b, the hole in that was that is was not scientific argument, rather common sense which can be wrong and religion was the thing that kept it alive (read Galileo's Daughter for a good description of the persecution of Galileo). Ptolemy was not a scientist and his assumption of the world being the central place relied on Aristotle who was a philosopher. Evolution is an idea so thought because of the fact, using it we can do things that cannot be done without it. Messing with genetics means that we can say mutation is likely to work. Also observation with the breeding of dogs (ever wonder on how different dog breeds were created, its very well documented that mixing breeds produces new strains and there are recent examples) means that there is some justification.

Just seen a news report on this.

I find it pretty much unfortunate a thing that the people of Kansas have generally accepted this.

As far as i understand, in terms of education, they seem to have rejected the scientific theory of evolution and replaced it with religous belief via this Genesis thing in the Bible.

First of all, i find it utterly moronic that a scientific theory has been replaced in favour of theory based upon religious belief. You can not understand Science through Religion. You can only understand Science through Science.

I am dissappointed at the ignorance of collective communities.

Read sig.

http://www.intelligentdesignnetwork.org/

Really thats what it boils down too. The implications of its evidence.


What is science?



So a theoretical explantion of phenomena is science. No evidence is needed just a theory. Humm....sounds like both evloution and ID to me. so ID IS science regardless of what yall "believe".


O BTW, I polled the 6 mothers that work with me and they all agreed, they would want to know if their daughter was seeking to have an abortion. Which helps push my point that California is retarded and full of parents who just dont give a shit.

Related note:

There has recently been a discovery in the human genome. There is now scientific evidence that suggests alterations to the human genome is only partially detrimental upon the environment. As far as i understood, the larger majority of genome structure is influenced by hereditary means. One experiment was to inverstigate neural behaviour within 2 generations of Jews. The first being a persecuted generation and the latter not. Evidence suggested that a considerable number of the second generation sample suffered from depression similar to that of the earlier generation, yet they had not been persecuted.

Additionally, there was an experiment regarding 2 other generations. The first that was subject to famine, and the second that was not. Within the latter generation again, there were significant numbers of apparently malnutritioned children.

This evidence supports the theory of evolution because although there is risk of genetic alteration within 1 generation due to environmental adaptation, there is also a significant chance that the alterations will be passed down to the following generation.

intelligent design it not a testible scientific hypothesis. If you can come up with a test to try and prove (or at least disprove) intelligent design, then maybe we can consider it science. But, like god, you can't test it. Thus it's not science.

To quote your quote...



Notice the AND. All of those points have to be fullfilled, not just one. You can't observe ID, you can't describe it, you can't experiement on it. Thus it's not science.

As for the Cali thing, I think that's retarded too. If they're a minor, they're a minor...their parents should be aware of what they're doing so the parents can do their job of raising the kids. Especially when it comes to something as life-changing as an abortion.

I have a theory that aliens living up my butt caused the invasion of Iraq. Unfortunately they have left. Still, I would like to teach my experience is public schools.