Heh..come on 11b, you can't hold that up as some kind of dogma forever. I think this quote partly reflects the way in which you're dismissing this problem so fast.

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But neither economic nor scientific analyses are likely to affect US climate change policy, says Henry Jacoby, director of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology’s Joint Program on the Science and Policy of Global Change. “After the Kyoto fiasco, the US administration began to ask for advice from all sides,â€

Ooh I used to have such great discussions with Sir Vivor about this!

Anyway, the world is warming up both in a natural way as well as by greenshouse gasses. The recent rise of temperature can't be explained only by the world recovering from the mini ice-age in the late middle ages. At least half of global warming is caused by greenhouse gasses.

Yeah i kinda agree with Arathorn, the natural warming of the earth will occur, but we have speeded up that process and will probably cause the atmosphere to get hotter than it would have done naturally. That's the problem

The Americans just refuse to aknowledge it because they are the worst culprits

/yawn

Blame on the US. bla bla bla.

I could find countless articles that reflect my opionion to.

Let me guess , and all those gases are cause by SUV's and 4x4's right? Give it a rest.

Heres a tip for you clowns, its getting hotter BECAUSE SUMMER IS COMING!

I must agree with 11b. It's in vogue to blame the US for everything now, but we're not 'the worst culprits'. I bet India and China have more to do with global warming than the US. How about all those 3rd world countries floating around in Africa? We have things like the EPA to keep businesses from being too destructive... they do not.

Anyway, I highly support the advance of technology to hopefully stop the world from getting screwed up. I'm just tired of taking the blame for its current state.

3th world countries don't contribute much to pollution, since they barely have industy, cars, ... . That's why western countries can "buy clean air" from those countries (according to kyoto). China and India is another story, i think they don't get a real restriction because they're "developping countries". Which sucks for western countries, economically speaking.

Anyway, a lot of fingers are pointing towards america now because they bluntly refused the Kyoto protocol, which you must appreciate in a way, being so open. And i don't know if it's a saying in english but: "High trees catch much wind".
Dunno the exact figures, and don't have my notes from school here, but i thought that america scores heavily in the 'culprit-list', lots of people, lots of industry, .. .

oh, I don't deny we probably do score pretty high. Lots of people, yes, lots of industry. America is also extremely large, though. Texas is the size of Germany, for instance.

Texas population 2002: 21,779,893
German population 2000: 82,797,408

My point being that the US may have alot of people (~300million) but they're spread out pretty thinly in comparison to Europe. We have more people, more business, and produce alot of pollution, but it's over a considerably larger area.

Similarly, due to our geography and social reality, we have to produce more pollution. For instance, the infrastructure of our country isn't as developed as in Europe. In Europe, (at least in Germany) you don't have to own a car to funcion. In the US you do. We don't have a bus/subway/train system as well-developed as Europe's. This is the fault of our government, but it still adds to our need to produce pollution.

Blah...stupid work.

it's true though, all of europe together doesn't make as much pollution as the USA does
and 11b i didn't say anything about SUV's or 4x4's, but they happen to be very fuel inefficient, so hardly help matters

industry is the main cause of the excess of so called greenhouse gases, and america has a lot of industry. Sure China and places have loads of industry too and they are also to blame, but they agreed to do something about it, unlike america...

oh and one more thing, 11b, everywhere in the southern hemisphere, winter is coming not summer, the world doesn't revolve around what happens in america...
and even though it will be winter in the southern hemisphere, doesn't mean it's not going to be considerably hotter than it was say 25 years ago

Go ahead hate on me, I dont care. Funny how the only other guy that even agrees with any of my points in a fellow Texan. God bless this state! Go cowboys!

I lub you Satis, can we snuggle?


Sorry, I dont have a good long post. Satis covered my point for me. Good points btw. Some days I just dont have it in my to fight back.

*snuggles*

err...anyway....

y'know what, if it were up to me, I'd demand our entire economy switch to hydrogen power. However, it's not up to me. Instead, it's primarily up to the oil companies, who make all their money from (guess!) oil. So, it's not going to happen any time soon. It is, slowly, happening, but not as fast as it could be. Until then, we're screwed.

This is a limitation of government, not the people of the US or the country itself. Our government is filled with greedy bastards who listen to special interest groups and lobbies. Because money talks and people like me don't have enough money.

I'm not too keen on that fact about our government. However, it's no different than Europe. In fact, I'm willing to bet most all of government around the world is more focused on money and power than 'the good of the people' like they're supposed to. The EU, for instance, is, IMO, a very bad freakin idea. Too many eggs in one basket, too much power for one person (or committee) to hold. But I digress.

The US has some issues. On the other hand, the US also has a great number of strengths. We are the sole remaining super power. When someone's doing something really stupid (Milosevic, for instance), it's typically the US that ends up holding the ball. Either we do something, or noone does something. Of course, invariably, after we take the spearhead (as always) the rest of the world community points out what we did wrong. I suggest they take the frontline every once in a while.

Additionally, we have some of the best schools in the world. We have the largest and most powerful corporations. We have a significant portion of research and development funding. The US came up with computers, with the PC, with the internet, with Windows and Unix, relativity, atomic power, the Nobel Peace Prize, first man on the moon, we sequenced the human genome, we're spear-heading research into genetically enhanced foodstuffs (and, hopefully, an end to world hunger), nanotechnology, we're the only country looking for alien life, we're the only country encouraging private-sector growth into space (X-prize), we invented telephones and airplanes and internal combustion engines and the light bulb.... anyway. I could go on.

I don't mean to be deprecating toward Europe... Europe has also contributed greatly to the advancement of the human race. Asia has to a lesser degree. err...christ, I think I went off for awhile. Too many alcoholic beverages. Anyway, my final point being that, yes, the US can improve. Yes, our governmental system is far from perfect. However, our society and government seems to work pretty damn well, as we've contributed more to human advancement in the last 100 years than probably the rest of the world combined.

AND if it wasnt for us you would be sucking Hitlers cock right now! Based on some of your views and remarks I bet yall would like that.

I wouldn't like that. Did you know Hitler was against homosexuals?

You lie! After all you would vote for a liar! I think YOUR HITLER!!!!

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I'm not Hitler, you know he lives in England under the name Hilter.

Hitler was a nice man, but just viewed from the wrong angle. He was a great husband (for about 10 minutes). He took a country in the throes of a great recession and made it a super power.

Never mind the little things. *cough*millionsofdeadjews*cough*

btw, I'm being facetious.