I've got nothing against gay people, but their extreme exhibitionism at times annoys me. That includes gay parades. I'm not running around yelling I'm heterosexual either. And I often judge people based on their country of origin. It may not always be fair, but can be useful (for example, don't trust Belgians with something important except making beer, see Fortis).

lol Arathorn. We hate you too, don't worry


@ Gfree

I meant "your average gay pride parade" as a general term (ie "any average parade"), wasn't referring to your parades or anything.

But dude, no need to get all "Hitler pwnd j00" on my ass here. How does my opinion on gay people have any rapport with what happened in WWII anyway? As for applauding...I'm not applauding anyone for being gay. I don't applaud people for being straight, black, white, German, American or Serbian either. There is no merit in those things, they are just facts.

Sure, people are influenced by what they see in early life, but they don't become gay by having homosexuals around. And seriously, what are the odds of watching a gay couple kiss in public anyway? Close to nil. I barely ever even see straight couples making out in public (really making out I mean, not a peck on the mouth here and there).

There are some people who have shifting sexual orientation as a result of traumatic experiences, but they are a minority at best. Homosexuality is a born trait, not acquired. Being 'exposed' to homosexuality will perhaps make kids more willing to try it, but if you're not into men you're just not gonna be into men, no matter how much you try.

Feel free to disagree, but don't say stuff like taking them out with a brick. Seriously, wtf dude.

We've finished this topic if you're ok with that above. LOL, wtf?!


Well, he did, but that wasn't my point. You gave up without a single stinking Nazi dead. Excuse me, but that sounds totally, eh, passive to me. Your grandfathers or/and grand grandfathers do have something to do with it, certainly. And it all starts from a brick (not) combined with a gay pair or gay parade I tell you.

Perhaps this will appeal more to you:

http://www.gamespot.com/users/pop_muffi ... uq5bgEvj_W

Maybe you're just trying to irk me by playing on my nationality or so (not going to work) but even then your logic is way off. We let nazi Germany take over because I'm for gay rights? Back in that time there weren't any gay pride parades over here either, you know. I'd say that gay hate was by and large the prevalent attitude. So how that would have led to our abysmal war efforts (according to you) is puzzling.

"The terrain wasn't good because we didn't know how to grow plants. YES, it was able to give us 1st class plants but we didn't know how to use it. That's why it was not good."

The logic that says that the terrain was actually very good, still there was no idea about using it in the way it is being used today. On the other side we have terrains where it just doesn't work, no matter what propaganda is being done. Sapienti sat. I see no failure there.

As an appendix, I might translate you conversation between Vojislav Šešelj and a Belgian military expert. It all took place in the villainous and anti-Serbian tribunal in Hague. In the process a judge had to defend that 'expert' saying that he was no historian. WTF? History is one of obligatory and very deep subjects in any serious military academy. How can your army possibly know what they are fighting for if they don't know the history? That's gonna ruin the morale enormously. Here's the video, btw:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=hhNwh7yAFKU

Well, if that's what is 'trying' to irk you, no help. My small talk ain't concerning individuals but an overall picture. And I still wait an answer from that buddy derf suggesting something gayish about me and Satis.

Ah, now I see the trap you're falling into. Like said, I don't really care if you support gay parades or not, or even join them. But the fact that gay parades happen in Belgium and Italy I do use.

*ignores that last 10 posts*

Satis:
I don't have any kids yet. So it will all be relatively new to me (my sister has a kid, and my sister-in-law has 2).

Funny how it goes from coffee and boobs to Hitler and gayparades in just a few pages

Oh ok, so it's a first. Enjoy. Actually, enjoy the pregnancy and the first few weeks... those are the easy parts (other than keeping the wife happy). After that the kid doesn't sleep all the time and you've got 16+ years of no rest. I'm sure you'll dig it, though. It's a singular expression.

Back to the gay parade of posts:

First, allow me to invoke Godwin's Law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_law

That's typically extended to any internet discussion.

And then Dodds Corollary


Thus this argument pretty much ended. However, just for fun, Nazis conquering a country in the 1930s/1940s has no correlation to that country's modern treatment of homosexuals. I believe most people would agree that the US was instrumental in the defeat of the Axis forces in north Africa and western Europe, yet we are also one of the more permissive societies. If you want to extend that, we have the US on one side (permissive) and the USSR on the other (completely not permissive). In a 40 year cold war, the US won, resulting in the USSR's complete destruction as an entity. The US's victory in the cold war has absolutely nothing to do with it's permissive attitude toward homosexuals, but we're already making preposterous assumptions, so why not?

As for gay people kissing in public, I personally don't enjoy watching it (unless it's two hot chicks), but that doesn't give me the right to censor it. If two straight people can kiss in public, why not two gay people? Equality and freedom are more important than my personal feelings toward the act.

Feel free to apply this to the thing above, but you will fail to find which `Ox' vital argument I put in connection with Hitler and Nazi party. Well, show it. Otherwise, spare us your intelligent comments, please.

And even if you do so (and I don't provide a contra argument, which I will), I will question whether you play with probability or certainty. The story about that alone will discredit it in this particular case. You won't want to go there, dude. The only advantage you would have is expressing your high self in your mother tongue. Maybe we shall switch to German to be equal. Do you know any foreign language anyway?

Tbh, I have habit to congratulate when the kid is born, safe and sound. That's why I skipped it, J.

A bit cynic aren't you?

Not at all.

- I just furled `Ox in the fact there are gay parades in Belgium, while Serbia and Russia resist.
- I also furled `Ox in the fact how lame was Belgian military expert that appeared in Vojislav Šešelj's tribunal.
- I am also questioning Satis` competence to interfere the discussion in the way he apparently did. I am burning to discuss and prove that there was no line drawn between an argument and Hitler and his party but how these Belgians behaved under Hitler's invasion - it is pointing their behavior (pussies) not Hitler's (Nazis). Above all, mentioning and using historical facts doesn't fall under this 'rule' but that's yet to be discussed and anybody trying to disqualify them will hit an impenetrable wall.

Since you are also a Belgian, I can understand you dislike that facts, still it doesn't give you right to deviate my words. The part you are referring to was honest and in best faith. Thanks for reading.

Dude, Gfree, chill out...no one here has taken a stab at you or Serbia or anything related to those two. So making blanket statements like "all Belgians are pussies" and "gays are bad" isn't exactly cool.

It's possible that the Belgian expert in the Yugoslavia tribunal was a douche, but what does that have to do with anything? You shouldn't define people by their nationality. I frankly couldn't care less about being Belgian.

But hey, if you want to think I'm a wuss, then by all means go ahead. It just saddens me that someone as intelligent as you would diminish me to a stereotype you created by linking wildly random facts together (WWII, gay rights, Belgian army).

What I have to determine is whether you intentionally put in my mouth words that I didn't speak out. You guessed... I said neither of these two. You may not be a pussy but the guys who didn't fight the Hitlers' fascism, playing neutrality, actually were. (sue me) I have right to tell that after these same guys were having nice and comfortable lives while Southeastern Europe was bleeding under Turks.

And even the qualification 'pussies' is irrelevant. You can remove it and the facts will still be there. Don't hook for it. What matters is the fact how did you let them go through.

I never said gays are bad. I was speaking about gay parades.

One Word: Psycho!

Why, thank you. I will take that one as a compliment, considering from where/whom it comes. I won't ask you if your academic degree was in the area of psychology / psychiatry, or are you just using one-word qualification in order to express actual powerlessness.

I'm still waiting Satis for the dodeca... corollary thing.
I'm still waiting derf for gayness implications. (that's where this all has started)