the internet is a technology and service the US has ownership to. I mean we dont claim to own Iraq oil do we? I mean oil is used by the entire world and its all over the world yet the oil in Iraq is Iraqs oil not ours.

I say we should do like the rich arabic oils companies do and jack prices.

Block all incoming connections of major internet pipes coming into the US and slap a export fee of bytes used.

another article:

http://technology.guardian.co.uk/news/s ... 67,00.html



The squabble is all about DNS control. That's it. Some countries (China, Russia, some Arab countries) want a 'say' in DNS. The EU and these countries want DNS decision to be moved into a political committee. Currently it's run by ICANN, which handles it technically. All that a change in this will do is add beaurocracy to the process. Screw that.

The internet could fall apart? Let's see...an internet without Russia and China....half the spam! YEA!

Imagine giving China control over DNS, considering their current oppresive online censorship.

Ermm last time the USA did something like that I believe that there was this thing about tariffs and the depression. Also how would you enforce it?

enforcement would be easy. We'd charge the large overseas carriers. If they failed to pay, we'd cut off everyone with an IP in their range. I could do it with a Cisco router right now using supernetting. Just static route their traffic into nothing.

OK how would they enforce it without the rest of the world declaring war on America?

They can just build their own network. If they are that dependant on a US owned utility, then fuck 'em. That's what they get for. It's the same with oil. The US has fucked itself by becoming dependant on another country's property, but that does not entitle us to it. Yes, we need that oil, but that does not mean they have to give/sell it to us. Having a need for something does not create any entitlement.

So you're basic argument is tha everywhere else should build its own network resulting in poorer communications between countries. Oil is also a different thing. That is a fossil fuel where there is a limited supply for your country and everyone else. The internet is something that crosses all boundaries and promotes understanding, making problems like racism and general sterotypical prejudice harder to flourish.

please don't overstate the importance of the internet. Last I checked, it doesn't promote understanding any more than it promotes hate. It's turned into interactive television.

Some stuff to entertain. Some stuff to inform. Some stuff that's total lies. And lots and lots of commercials.

Just because they create their own internet doesn't mean we have to sever ties, anyway. It's just a technical hurtle of linking 'internets'. You could build some sort of massive distributed NAT protocol and still cross-communicate even between multiple internets. It's only a technical hurdle, and faced by it, I'm certain someone would come up with a solution.

The issue is they want control over something they don't own.

Well said. Their only arguement is, "we should get to have control, because we need it and use it". Well too fucking bad! C'mon! It's property. If you really feel that strongly about using our property, then don't fucking use it! FFS! Tons of people use Google, but that doesn't give them the right to own it. If they don't like the way google does business, then they don't have to use it. Fucking commie BS.

Hehe, chill out Pig.


But btw, all this 'we' and 'ours' talk...it kinda sucks. I mean, it's like when there are some dudes telling me 'we saved your country in WWII' when, of course, it was ppl that happened to live in the same country as them who did so, not them. Or invented the internet, or whatever.

It's the reverse of saying that all Americans are gun-toting rednecks or all Belgians are waffle-eating disgustos. I.e., making very crude divisions. (well, maybe the last example isn't too far off )

Right then, lets apply this philisophy to all of humanity:

- Computers = British (free to all)
- Archimedes Screw = Ancient Greek (free to all)
- Democracy = Ancient Greek (free to all)
- The Wheel = Ancient Sumerian (free to all)
- Chocolate = Aztec (free to all)

Pig, Satis: You are delusional. The US may be able to hold ownership for the short foreseeable future, but in the future, it will be inevitably globalised.

So i say 'lol' to your possessiveness.

I sense a flame war coming up.

I have no problem with world setting up a global network structure that allows control to be globalized. I never once said anything to the contrary. If anyone bothered to understand my arguement, that is exactly what I said the other governments should do. My objection is to the world trying to wrest our network away from us.

the point that Derf appears to be unable to grasp...

all those items you mentioned...we made our own version of them.

The internet...you can make your own version of it.

That's not what these people want to do. They want to take the one that belongs to the US and make it 'the world's'. Just make your own. It's not hard. We've published everything you need to know to do it, for free. It's all there. Make your own.

Y'know...we really like Big Ben. I demand that you dismantle Big Ben, cart all the pieces to New York City, and reassemble it next to the United Nations building. That way the world can share it.