may I closely investigate? Perhaps they left clues of their existence, perhaps by leaving empty MRE wrappers or tabasco containers.

well, what do you know.

Voters eject school board that ordered creationist lessons
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0, ... 86,00.html

This is in Pennsylvania, not Kansas. Still, pretty related. :p

This is where a central government would come in handy, by drawing the line.

Apart from Bush would support creationism

That's awesome. Let's hopemore ppl with common sense stand up and fight for what's right. Man, what's happening in Kansas is scary shit. You know what this means, do you...that a good part of the kids of kansas grow up with retard views. Bye-bye science development, after all, the 'Designer' created the world. Why bother?

there's some legitimate fears that kids brought up in Kansas with the ID doctrines wouldn't be accepted for admission into prestigious hard-science universities. Physics, mathematics, engineering, MD...we'd lose alot of potential scientists/doctors. The US can't afford that. We already have a looming shortage.

I don't think any Western country can afford that with the dropping population figures. And sounds like a definite problem...seriously, I wouldn't hire someone whose world view is based on ID (aka fantasyland), not matter how brilliant. In scientific research that is, they can worship their neighbours' dog in most other jobs for all I care.

wow, yall are really blowing this out of proportion. If education of children is SO important all of sudden to yall then teaching ID in school should/would be the least of your worries for the whole education system is flawed.

Again, I think the idea of kids learning of ID is just threating your way of life.


On side note, its only fair to teach ID. I mean, why should my child be force to learn 1 way of thinking and existance? I mean they took "God" out of the pledge of alliegence to not force kids who dont believe in God from saying "GOD". So my child shouldnt be force to learn that evolution is the only way of life if they dont believe it.

I totally agree, ID is not religion.

Im under the impression that ID is justified and based upon the Bible. Is this right?

That is incorrect. ID has no basis from the bible. Thats creatism(god formed the heavens and earth in 6 days, etc).

Heh...if my way of living is one where I can enjoy (actual) technological advancement and scientific progress then yes, I feel it's threatened. I don't see how else it would threaten me, tbh. I don't spend much time in high school anymore, nor do I have any kids.

And where did I ever say that i don't care about education? I care a lot about it....I'm glad I got the education I had. Including religion, much as it may surprise you. (went to a catholic school) I know a lot about Christianity and the Bible, more than most religious ppl do I'm sure, partly thanks to that education.

I'm with Satis on this, I don't mind kids being taught religion at school, if it's done in the classes 'religion" and not biology. They could make a class of "Magical Mystery Biology" for all I care too, as long as they don't seel it as real science.

You might say ID is not religious, but we both know that's just a cover. Besides, if it's not religious, what IS it based on? I don't think anyone knows.


Btw, would you agree that Flying Spaghetti Monsterism should be taught in schools?

the problem isn't teaching ID, it's teaching ID as a valid science. It's not a science. It doesn't match the definition of science. If you bring up some kid thinking that something like ID is a science, you've just screwed up his whole idea on what science is. Which, btw, was something that Kansas ALSO did. They changed the definition of science so ID would fit in it. Instead of experimentally proveable hypothesis, it's been changed to a 'theory of how shit works' or whateve.r Which isn't freakin' science. It's philosophy.

As for 'God' in school...I'm an atheist. I've been an atheist since I was about 13, when I sat down and thought long and hard about religion, god and christianity. And I decided it was a bunch of bullshit. To force me to sit in a classroom talking about a god I don't believe in is religious persecution. Unless you give equal time to every other religion (AND ATHEISM!). I'd rather not waste time on that crap.

11b, ive heard otherwise. Ive heard that ID is based upon the Bible. Bah, im getting tired of this topic.