Heh, dude, I will say you: here in southeastern and eastern Europe this just doesn't work. But do not bother, they are not asking you this question either. They are simply letting you sign that you will work that-and-that long, and if you do not, they sue you. Done.

In the end, it is so hard to find a job that you don't want to leave it, when you get any, in most of cases.

In case you want to enjoy more Balkan horrors, instrumentalized directly from the US government or from whoever stands behind them, hear this: in Serbia the law practically allows the employers to forbid female employees to have baby in the next X years after they started working. Otherwise they may lose job or even get sued. I just hate the current pro-US government and not only for that.

@gfree... if some employer tried limiting your ability to have a child, they'd get the pants sued off of them. So please don't blame the US for that. Hell, most companies will give the father time off now for childbirth. Paternity leave ftw! Well, if I wanted children at least.

@Ox, I'm simply amazed. They must be really hard up.

I blame your government, or whoever is directing them. The fact is that today the people from the RS government are nothing but puppets of the USA, placed there to devastate the country. I'd know it better, I live there. From what I've seen and heard, I can say that you, Americans, ain't even supposed to know what evils are spread by your own country all over the world, just to weaken all "possible threats". After we gave bad kicks to German and Turkish asses, I do have right to presume the former SFRJ united (like she was) would be a bit too big problem for the upcoming hegemony of USA. After SFRJ, military and politics campaigns spread to Iraq, and Iran would be the next target, before Russia, of course. It's just the question if USA will have enough money for all that, since they spent quite a huge bit on former SFRJ and Iraq already.

Good thing is that even that superior technology of USA proves faulty against even rather unfairly weaker opponent. Don't forget that F-117A downed with a simple 2K12 Kub, in village Buđanovci. I can imagine what a slaughter it would be with only one S-300 around.

Oh, I almost forgot the recent news. Two CIA agents are apparently murdered by former agents of Republic of Srpska (not to be mistaken for Republic of Serbia, although these two should unite in the near future) when they came too close to Karadžić:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/f ... 477912.stm

It would be hard to find the article now, but the same guys slaughtered whole unit of Delta Force during the wars in BiH, 199x, taking minimal damage. It was in newspaper. I guess that's why US Army never dared to try an infantry assault on the former Republic of Yugoslavia in 1999. before they do complete carpet bombing of the terrain (which didn't happen luckily). My guess is that not much different will be in Iran. They've got fanatic bitches.

Like I said, former SFRJ would have been too big problem for USA's hegemony schemes. That's why even today US government placed pro-US government in Serbia to ruin it. Few souls sold for American money did much more devastation than all NATO & US bombs in the aggression 1999.

I gave you a motive, you may or may not agree. Evidences are already spread all over the world.

Bis:

So, to resume the post from above: that some things are banned in US by the law does not mean US won't plant them somewhere else, with a certain purpose.

Double laws are not unknown term to US and EU both. Why do you think EU overflows Bulgaria with products that are actually forbidden for sale in Germany? I can't be arsed to look up for articles, but here happened numerous affairs on this topic since Bulgaria entered EU. Actually, they let Bulgaria join only to exploit it.

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About motives again: shall I quote conversations between Wesley Clark and Javier Solana, two war criminals, where Clark explicitly says that Serbia is going to be an eternal problem to achieving "their vision of peace in Balkans" - which is neutralized, ethnically clean and endlessly divided SFRJ, and that they should have destroyed it to its very ashes? It IS a fact that only Serbs were an nation that's ready to live with the others in order in peace. The proof: ethnic cleansing of Serbian population in Croatia, Federation of BiH and on the territory of Kosmet. Have Serbs done the same with Croatians, Bosniaks and Albanians in Serbia? I couldn't say that, studying the ethnic structure of Serbia.

And then this lovely photo (there's more all over internet):


Is the guy left a president of Republic of Serbia? That's just an US puppet, or pet, if you like.

Imho needless, since I am likely to answer very shortly on any Satis' response and conclude the conversation. It's just yet another digression, eh?

No, because I might have a few points to add or questions to raise, but I dont want to do it here.

So i'm just skimming the surface here, but what threat was Serbia to the US post WW2? Don't get me wrong, the US have done this kind of shit in Italy too (and probably in most corners of the globe). E.g. putting down socialist movements during the cold war, which is understandable, but i'm ignorant of the threat Serbia had to the USA.

Do you want the short or the long version?

The short one is that after WW2 it wasn't just about Serbia, as you know it today, but about SFRJ, where all folk, except Slovenians had (and still have) Serbian origin.

Explaining how US worked on dividing this one into smaller parts, is a rather complex matter - complex to explain and even to understand when properly explained, because it contains much of rather unusual terms, political moments and human stupidity to be understood - but I will try to elaborate in case this question rise. For now I hope everybody to be satisfied with the fact SFRJ has been divided and the idea of who had interest in that.

Now to why: SFRJ was a big problem, because the US marionette Tito was not about to live eternally, and his totalitarian regime was leaving much space for fear that the next president/dictator will simply say "jerk off" to US. In that case they would've been powerless in the next few decades while the power of SFRJ and very probable link to today's Russia could only have grew - making them powerless about the region for next few centuries or forever. It had to be divided by all means in order that US surely can hold or take control over the whole region after Tito's death.

And why are Serbs special? Serbian nation is the only one that existed among these folk before all other "nations" or divisions caused by Austria-Hungary, Ottoman Empire, USA and even Italy, and the only one with historical roots enough deep to undo the US work on SFRJ by uniting all its folk again. By the way, in the wide Europa, I do not know other folk who said "fuck off" to the US' hegemony schemes except Serbs and their brothers Russians. Others, as they heard US' "I want to fuck", just asked "which hole shall we rise?" or even added "we will fuck that hole on you", to be vulgar. Thereby I do not blame the folk, who is in most powerless or ignorant. I blame the governments.

I want the uber short version.

SFRJ was a communist state. That's all I needed to know. Thanks G. Yeah, I don't see why the US wouldn't have wanted to pull a few ops there in the past. Heck maybe even in the present depending on the vibe in that general region. Not saying that the baby forbidding law is one of the examples.

I don't know if i can agree with what you're saying Gfree. As far as i can recall, Balkan has always been a troubled region, with a LOT of mixtures of different cultures, races ... . And incidents between those groups. Take the start of WWI for example: the murder of Franz Ferdinand. Classic example of struggles between different parties/nationalities.
From what i read from you, you make it sound like it was US planning to divide Joegoslavia (SFRJ) into Serbia, Kroatie, Slovenia, ... . It was more the civil troubles between regions that caused this i think.

I'm always sceptical against nationalistic feelings based on history like you seem to be expressing. Serbs might have been 1 nation before the numerous dividing and overtaking in history. But time changes a lot, and i don't know who you mean with "all of it's folk" but i don't think that the historical region of serbia should be united again under one flag if that's what you mean. Because it's one big melting pot of nationalities, cultures, religions ... .

Btw i'm not saying that US didn't have any influence in that region at all. I'm pretty sure they read their history books as well, and know that it was (and still is) a very heated region. And in Cold War times, they surely didn't want any country near Russia to be too friendly with it.

Don't want to sound too pro-US (because i'm not), but your reply ("brother russians") sounded a bit too pro-Russian. And Russia isn't exactly an example of democracy and non-manipulation either.

US indeed had plans to divide SFRJ - and especially Serbia - into smaller parts as soon as the WW2 was over. It is the thing that Ottoman Empire was working on, it is the thing that Austro-Hungarian empire was working on, it is the thing that Hitler was working on. I just fail to see why it would be a surprise if the next upcoming empire would be working on it.

The latest troubles between these folk (whom you certainly would have much more to learn about) which you speak of were indeed orchestrated by US or whoever used them as a mask. Let me give you a question: how the wars in SFRJ have begun?

And please, another one: do you know the difference between Croats that existed once and today's Croats?


The others were poking the fire because of the pure interest to destabilize the region. Poor folk was dancing for the favors until they got used. It alone would never have "exploded" but "cooperated".


In this topic I was speaking about SFRJ. So, pure curiosity, what "races" do you know in SFRJ?


That's ideology of Great(er) Serbia - don't bother to read Wikipedia - which certainly does want to unite these territories once again, but also not to remove the religious and other cultural (religion would be a part of any culture) differences that occurred among the folk (Folk = all people living on that territories). These folk certainly won't give up whatever cultural they inherited over ages, but they could realize they have indeed the same roots and finally start live in peace together, eh?

Further to the cultural "differences": People who are not into the historical matter of the region, but certainly had contact with people from different regions of ex-SFRJ, just can't differ any of languages spoken on the territories of Serbia, Croatia and BiH. In fact, they differ themselves only by some words that were tendentiously changed in aggressive campaigns in the primary schools after 1992 to make some "differences". But still, for example, people from different provinces in France or even Germany may have more difficulties to understand each other than folk from Serbia, Croatia and BiH today. What cultural "differences" are to be spoken of, except the religion, inherited from numerous occupiers? Please elaborate.


What a "brotherhood" would have to do with the past or current or future political regime in Russia? By the way (since you pulled the topic) the regime in Russia is far from perfect, but I still think it better than any DemoNcracy from the west. I will warn you not to trust everything you read in newspaper or hear in news. You simply have to be there or know a number of people from there to be able to get the picture. I hail to Putin.

p.s.
What about Franz Ferdinand? Please, elaborate.

Russians are like cannibals, they only feed you cause you taste better later