ID is just a second attempt from creationists to push religious ideas through as scientific. It's the same idea with a more careful wording, to put it bluntly.

Besides, if an Intelligent Designer made the universe, it'd be a pretty fucked up puppy. I don't know if that conclusions is really what religious people would want to achieve.

Very true

Explain.

See, I think if the universe would have been created by totally random factors, its would be a pretty screwed up puppy.

Randomness = chaos = screwed up shit
intelligently designed = order = something thats works

I mean if you took a barrel of wet cement and spilled it all over the floor, whats the chance that it comes out looking like a sculpture? zero.

If you took the same cement, had a artist sculp something, then its a beautiful work of art.

Looking at the universe and everything in it, it looks more like a work of art than a spilled shit.

And the chance is not Zero, the only way for the chance of it to happen to equal zero indefinatly, is for time to end and that particular event to have not occured within that time. Because otherwise, there are infinate more chances of it happening.

Didn't word that well, but you get my drift Anyways, I think what Ox is saying, is that if it was intelligently designed, it would be designed in favour of the designer, so it'd be fucked up for everyone else.

EDIT: FIX THE QUOTE THING.

You think the universe is order 11b
Come on we are inperfect and the universe is imperfect- look at fossil fuels. And you've also got remember that it is an ever expanding thing that has millions of worlds, suns, etc. Because of this it could be entirely possible. Its more like picking something out of a bag, it will be completely random, not trying to build a sculpture by dumping something- although some people may call it that despite it.