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war is the single greatest spur to human development.

Antibiotics are a direct result of WWII. So are M&Ms. Two of the greatest inventions of the 20th century. A little less tongue-in-cheek, the development of aviation was war-driven, as was the development of computers (at least the first ones, for code-breaking), radar, sonar, the entire space program (cold war, but real war motivated), and who know what else I'm missing.

Anyway, the man that wishes for a world with no war is wishing for a world with no major strides in technological advancement. How many of today's technologies were initially spurred on to development through department of defense funding? A whole lot.


sorry Im way behind on this topic but here my point.

Yes, all those thing were a result of war. But, in this day and age we dont need to go to war anymore to get this. The next place is space. We need to shift our focus away from shooting each other and turn our attention toward space. That is the next place where we will get those great advancements. Think of all the stuff we have now due to the space race. Like memory foam matresses and Tang!

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@ Satis: The evolution of intelligence is the prerequisite of development of excessive competiton because in the early stages of our species, we did not make war. Our greatest breakthroughs of intelligence were mainly a result of technological discovery. Then, war was concieved as man became intelligent enough to understand the concept.


Also, breakthoughs in intelligence mean nothing if you dont have the right mind set to use the intelligence obtained for good.

I personally believe we as human have skyrocketed in our intelligence but are seriously lacking in our spiritual development. And I dont mean in our development of knowledge of Christ or God or religion. Im talking about our general spiritualness. Our basic moral compasses.

Think of an advance civiliaztion. Would they be fighting in wars? Would they have disease? Would they have single parent familes? Would they have genocide of nationalities? Would they have rich and poor people. Would they have police or prisions? Would they have drugs or need for drugs?

Think about it.

Intelligence is kind of like beer. Smart beer drinkers who are responible and seasoned know when enough is enough and dont get to drunk. Inexperianced and novice beer drinkers drink to much, get drunk, hump some slut, get a std, vomit all night over them selfs and wake up in jail with your crotch itching.

Get my point?

I think we humans are too big for our britches.

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ElevenBravo The Great wrote:
But, in this day and age we dont need to go to war anymore to get this.


Exactly! What is really significant however, is when the general population begins to realise this too.

Could you elaborate a bit on your idea of Space being the next primary source of advancement? Are you sure we are in need even of a source as such? Perhaps we will make the big leap and realise that advancement will be caused by our own will.

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Humans are inquistitive by nature. The very possibility of learning something new is a reason to put effort into it.

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ElevenBravo The Great wrote:
But, in this day and age we dont need to go to war anymore to get this.


Exactly! What is really significant however, is when the general population begins to realise this too.

Could you elaborate a bit on your idea of Space being the next primary source of advancement? Are you sure we are in need even of a source as such? Perhaps we will make the big leap and realise that advancement will be caused by our own will.


Yes, we as a civilization need a goal. And Space is the ultimate goal that is a unified effort.

Like "The war on terrorism" is just the effort of a few nations and benenfits only a few nations. Space is something all humans more or less can relate to as a common goal.

If you re-read my previous post about human not being spiritually advanced, then you see why I think we need a goal like Space. Because we are not spiritually advanced enough to strive to obtain knowledge and intelligence only without some sort of profit or reward other than the knowledge and intelligence itself.

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competition is an important boost to advancement. An attempt to expand into space (which I totally support) would be a great deal of blood, sweat and sacrifice. Which is great. We've turn our competitive nature into fighting with space rather than each other. Cool. But we need that fire. Without it, we'll become decadent.

Besides...once we get into space (assuming we do), what do you think would spur on development of better/faster/cheaper/safer spacecraft? Peaceful development, or all out space warfare? The latter. So even under the best of times, war still has a positive effect on human development.

btw, I hate my fucking job.

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Relevance?

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relevence of my job sucking? None... just makes me feel better.

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Most people do tho. Nothing new.

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I really like my job. I get create solutions that lead to big savings and earnings for my company, allow me to have a lot of lattitude in my programming. One day I am programming feature to draw qualified leads, pottentially worth millions of dollars each, the next day I am working on a project to streamline client communication and saving 70K off of IT's estimate. There is a dark side though... and it's called .NET /me shivers


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My job working for the kennels during the holidays has bad and good points. The good points include the contact with dogs. The bad points is cleaning out (you get my drift)

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.NET = the devil.

Sure, it's powerful. It allows code abstraction. It allows separation of design and content. It allows use of a variety of different programming languages within the overall framework.

It also runs like shit. It chews up server resources like a mad dog from hell. It's currently not 'optimized' for ANY platform, not until MS's famed .NET server shows up. It'll probably still require IIS (blech), it'll probably have issues working with any DB but MS-SQL.

I think the savings you get from the improved product development cycle will be entirely removed by the need for more processor cycles and memory to support yet another Microbloat product.

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Yeah, one of the questions during my interview was, "Will cry to find out the site is built on .NET?"

I am not a fan of .NET. They have yet to do anything to impress me. All of the stuff that doesn't directly interact with the website has been done in PHP-GTK. Sadly, .NET is starting to look up, since I have been doing lots and lots and lots and lots... of javascript programming. Fucking cASe seNsItIviTY.


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ugh....I hate javascript. AJAX is the first thing I've seen about javascript that I actually like, and I still hate the code. I eliminate javascript as much as possible.

Client-side form validation? Bleh...do it on page refresh. (or with AJAX)
Monkeys? AJAX! Some stuff you have to do with javascript, though. Like turning the client's cursor into a comet.

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Most of the JS stuff I have done involves creating hacks to make disparate systems work together, or add functionality that should with a server side solution. :(


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ugh...now THAT is the crappy use of javascript. Sorry bud, I feel for you, really do. Only advantage to not coding for money is I can do wtf I want. :) Include not support shitty ideas.

"Oh, that internal site I built doesn't render right in Safari? Guess you better use IE then. Nope, Im not going to fix it."

MUHAHAHAHAHA

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